One doesn't need a course necessarily, one just needs to make sure they understand safety which is easy and only requires a bit of common sense. Don't point until ready to shoot, don't point at anything you don't want to shoot, don't put a finger on the trigger until ready to shoot, check the chamber when in doubt, and always know the location and accessibility of your firearm to insure that children and irresponsible people cannot access them. Follow those basics and no one will be hurt.
I agree with this. Let the consumer decide....not the NRA.
Gun owners 100% should take a safety course or sorts. I'm hesitant to say it's mandatory though because then nothing really stops the government from charging 1200/course and only offering it once a year on Christmas. Though if we wanted to say that gun safety and handling should be a standard high school course like driver's ed, then I'd be down for that. Educate everyone.
Yeah, mandatory might have been too strong a word on a gun forum. In retrospect I probably should have used 'pre-requisite'. Gun courses don't have to be through the government....but certain standards should apply.
I don't have a problem with teaching gun safety in public schools...but then that would be through the government.
A "safe gun" sounds like a oxymoron.
So are you proposing a new gun ban? Because that's what it looks like.The problem is that ultimately, if this is not stopped, it will be neither the consumer nor the NRA that will get to decide, but government. The same government that nearly always sides with criminals and tyrants, and against honest citizens, any time the right to keep and bear arms is involved.
If the "gun enthusiasts" made reasonable explanations as to why the smart gun might not be a great idea, that would be one thing. These particular ones are resorting to nothing but thuggish intimidation and harassment.
There is none so blind as he who will not see.
I disagree with people on http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/191887-georgia-governor-signs-gun-bill-w-60-a.html, how do you feel about my behavior towards them?I think it all depends on how you behave when people disagree with you.
The problem is that ultimately, if this is not stopped, it will be neither the consumer nor the NRA that will get to decide, but government. The same government that nearly always sides with criminals and tyrants, and against honest citizens, any time the right to keep and bear arms is involved.
We should ban blank rounds, since the government could just decide to mandate that all rounds have to be blank rounds.
Sure they do, and I hope it is a massive failure because it's a very stupid idea that endangers people. This thing is the Ford Edsel of firearms.
I disagree with people on http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/191887-georgia-governor-signs-gun-bill-w-60-a.html, how do you feel about my behavior towards them?
Not really a fair comparison. The Edsel wasn't a failure because it was in inherently bad product; it was a failure because the market for automobiles shifted in a different direction, at that time, than Ford anticipated. The Edsel was a big, elegant, luxurious car, at a time when consumers were trending toward smaller, more practical cars.
Nevertheless, this “smart gun” is a product that more richly deserves the Edsel's fate:
My personal settings are set to display 100 posts per-page. My first post is #93 in that thread, which to me appears on the first page of that thread.I didn't see you on the page at all.
No, it's called a fact. You see, the vast majority of gun owners take the ownership responsibility to ensure access is limited. What many control advocates want is to restrict everyone because of those who either illegally possess guns or are careless which is a distinct minority...
It is not possible to “illegally” own a gun in this nation, unless you stole it. The Second Amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, affirms a right of all free Americans to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right. It is government that is acting illegally, when it enacts, upholds, and enforces laws which violate this right, and it is those who willingly take part in this enactment and enforcement who are the truest of criminals.
Then prove it.
I think gun safety courses should be mandatory to buying and owning a gun and I seriously doubt the majority of gun owners ever took one.
It can be a fact and anecdotal.No, it's called a fact. You see, the vast majority of gun owners take the ownership responsibility to ensure access is limited. What many control advocates want is to restrict everyone because of those who either illegally possess guns or are careless which is a distinct minority...
It is not possible to “illegally” own a gun in this nation, unless you stole it. The Second Amendment, which is part of the highest law of the land, affirms a right of all free Americans to keep and bear arms, and forbids government from infringing this right. It is government that is acting illegally, when it enacts, upholds, and enforces laws which violate this right, and it is those who willingly take part in this enactment and enforcement who are the truest of criminals.
Thanks for the contribution. Care to address what I actually said our just spout off platitudes?
My personal settings are set to display 100 posts per-page. My first post is #93 in that thread, which to me appears on the first page of that thread.
'Gun enthusiasts' threaten woman for selling a safer gun
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/us/politics/smart-firearm-draws-wrath-of-the-gun-lobby.html?_r=0
Posted a couple of links. How sad is it that the NRA opposes technology that would limit the usage of handguns?
In the words of the NRA, this might lead to "opening the door to a ban on all guns that do not possess the government-required technology."
Except that no one at this point is even suggesting this technology be government mandated. Given the millions of legal guns currently in circulation, I am not even certain that such a requirement could even be technically or logistically feasible, let alone desirable.
But... leaving that aside for a moment, how deluded are people if they think that this is the beginning of some kind of gun-armageddon? No one is suggesting you give up normal guns, no one is suggesting that we get rid of them. This is just one way of protecting people from gun-related accidents and tragedies. In the words of the Daily Kos article,
I have no issues with a school program, in fact those used to be offered years ago as shooting clubs. I only worry when someone then wants to extend the logic past what it is and require that and license people towards their rights.One don't necessarily need a course in driving either. Small skinny pedal makes you go, fat one makes you stop. But we still offer the education to everyone, we even require that kids attend such classes. While I know that not everyone would need a safety course, there ain't no harm if we offer it standard in High School.
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