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Yeah but I think stupid people will find many other ways to hurt and even kill themselves without a gun. Don't you?
Why do people keep bringing suicide into this, especially liberals? On just about every suicide thread, they are ALL for allowing people to commit suicide. Does it matter what tool they use to do it? You should just leave suicide out of it. Those people want to die and will find another way.
I'm ok with it. Not a big issue, but I'm ok with it. Can you follow that answer?
And it has not one thing to do with dependency for anyone.
Yes, but now I am asking you a question.
What do you mean criminals don't bother you? Those are the ones who should bother you the most because that is where MOST gun violence happens, during home invasions, robberies, etc. School shootings are actually pretty rare. Our 24/7 news cycle makes it look like these incidents are much more common than they actually are. A gun ban or tighter restrictions do not keep guns out of the hands of anyone but the law-abiding people. Even people with a mental illness can get guns illegally.
So disarming people is not causing them to be dependent on the state? Sure...
can you fathom what suicide has to do with wanting to restrict guns from having 30 shot magazines or flash hiders> or what accidental discharges has to do with such weapons?
its stupid to say you support restrictions that have nothing to do with stopping the stupid from having gun accidents or suicides
No me is disarmed. And frankly, I'm neither armed nor dependent. So, you're making very little sense to me.
Nope. Criminals have motivations and can be dealt with or avoid rather easily. I've live in Jacksonville Fla., Atlanta Ga, and in the projects at both places. Never loved a door, never got robbed, mugged or abused in anyway. Never needed a gun. However, I've seen stupid people treat a gun like a top, spin in on their finger and shoot a young girl across the room. So, from my POV, stupid people are far more dangerous.
can you fathom what suicide has to do with wanting to restrict guns from having 30 shot magazines or flash hiders> or what accidental discharges has to do with such weapons?
It lessens the damage they can do ( don't forget mentally ill) .
It lessens the damage they can do ( don't forget mentally ill) .
But the point you keep ignoring is that stupid people will still be able to get guns through the black market. Making firearms more difficult to obtain or outright banning them only strengthens the black market and criminal element. Along with that comes more death and violence. The same thing with drugs, prostitution, etc., as noted in my earlier post.
No it doesn't. They can just buy a gun illegally. They could also have someone else with a clean record purchase a gun FOR them. That happens too you know.
Not what said. Your making a leap and not confining yourself to my actual argument. The stats were limited to who is actually being shot. Nothing more.
I'd bet it would limit the number. I'm ok with it not being perfect.
those people are called criminals
when the issue is 30 rounds rather than ten that is hardly accidental
no one cranks out 30 rounds by accident
so we are back to intentional criminal misuse
how many accidental shootings involved more than a couple rounds
No it wouldn't. It would only make the black market that much stronger. What don't you understand about that simple fact?
well lets examine your "argument"
first you said you are OK on restrictions on the rights of others
two you said criminals aren't what motivates you
then you mention two types of harm with guns that have absolutely no relevance to "assault weapons or accidental discharges"
in other words, your argument is silly and stupid
Mentally is ill, even when they commit a criminal act. There is a distinction between the two.
I disagree. Nor do I think what you're saying is a fact.
What rights do you have for military style weapons and magazines? You just stated in another thread that the only hardship for you is that it will cost you a little extra at the shooting range.
You don't believe that if there was an outright ban of guns that the black market for them wouldn't grow exponentially? :lamo In order to be polite, I will say you are naive.
LOL anyone who shoots people in active shooter scenarios are MENTALLY ILL but they normally aren't deterred by gun laws. the guy In VT plotted that massacre for weeks.
its easy and lame to claim that all those massacres were not the work of CRIMINALS but nut cases
you continually lie
infringing on any of my rights because you want to hassle me is WRONG
its on you to prove the infringements will create more public safety
and you cannot
tell us catawba, why do you want the government to hassle people who don't cause crimes
its already illegal to use a gun wrongly or to possess one if one has a record
why do you want laws that only hassle people like me?
You don't believe that if there was an outright ban of guns that the black market for them wouldn't grow exponentially? :lamo In order to be polite, I will say you are naive.
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