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TurtleDude · Jul 12, 2020

Sheriff: Three armed men broke into a gun collector's home.

According to Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco, the homeowner was in the house alone, playing video games. That’s when he heard glass shatter towards the back of the house.
According to the sheriff, the homeowner grabbed a gun and began walking down his hallway. That’s where he saw an armed intruder dressed in dark clothing and wearing a mask. Nocco said the homeowner shot and killed the first intruder, then took out the second one, who was right behind the first.
The sheriff says that at some point, one of the three intruders managed to fire a gun.
He missed. That was a big mistake. The homeowner shot back and hit him. That’s when the homeowner’s gun jammed, so he went to grab another one.
When he did, the third intruder managed to get up and run away.
A neighbor was there waiting… with a gun.
He stopped the criminal in his tracks and held him at gunpoint outside until Pasco County deputies arrived.

The survivor is charged with robbery and for the deaths of the other two mopes under the felony homicide rule

Moon · Jul 12, 2020

TurtleDude said:
Sheriff: Three armed men broke into a gun collector's home.

According to Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco, the homeowner was in the house alone, playing video games. That’s when he heard glass shatter towards the back of the house.
According to the sheriff, the homeowner grabbed a gun and began walking down his hallway. That’s where he saw an armed intruder dressed in dark clothing and wearing a mask. Nocco said the homeowner shot and killed the first intruder, then took out the second one, who was right behind the first.
The sheriff says that at some point, one of the three intruders managed to fire a gun.
He missed. That was a big mistake. The homeowner shot back and hit him. That’s when the homeowner’s gun jammed, so he went to grab another one.
When he did, the third intruder managed to get up and run away.
A neighbor was there waiting… with a gun.
He stopped the criminal in his tracks and held him at gunpoint outside until Pasco County deputies arrived.

The survivor is charged with robbery and for the deaths of the other two mopes under the felony homicide rule

I really enjoy feel good stories like this.

Irredentist · Jul 12, 2020

TurtleDude said:
Sheriff: Three armed men broke into a gun collector's home.

According to Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco, the homeowner was in the house alone, playing video games. That’s when he heard glass shatter towards the back of the house.
According to the sheriff, the homeowner grabbed a gun and began walking down his hallway. That’s where he saw an armed intruder dressed in dark clothing and wearing a mask. Nocco said the homeowner shot and killed the first intruder, then took out the second one, who was right behind the first.
The sheriff says that at some point, one of the three intruders managed to fire a gun.
He missed. That was a big mistake. The homeowner shot back and hit him. That’s when the homeowner’s gun jammed, so he went to grab another one.
When he did, the third intruder managed to get up and run away.
A neighbor was there waiting… with a gun.
He stopped the criminal in his tracks and held him at gunpoint outside until Pasco County deputies arrived.

The survivor is charged with robbery and for the deaths of the other two mopes under the felony homicide rule

Charging the survivor with the deaths of the other two is just absurd. If he wasn't the one who shot them, then he shouldn't be culpable for their deaths.

Bullseye · Jul 12, 2020

Irredentist said:
Charging the survivor with the deaths of the other two is just absurd. If he wasn't the one who shot them, then he shouldn't be culpable for their deaths.

I believe it's called "felony murder" if you are involved in a crime where someone dies you're charged with it.

Metric Mouse · Jul 12, 2020

Good night!

I wonder what kind of malfunction he had that he couldn't clear it and instead just went for another gun.

Crovax · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
I believe it's called "felony murder" if you are involved in a crime where someone dies you're charged with it.

Doesn’t mean it’s not a dumb law. There was one case where a passenger was in a car and the driver drove off from a traffic stop making it a felony, then crashed the car and killed himself getting the passenger charged with his “murder”

TurtleDude · Jul 12, 2020

Irredentist said:
Charging the survivor with the deaths of the other two is just absurd. If he wasn't the one who shot them, then he shouldn't be culpable for their deaths.

yeah but its hard to feel sorry for the surviving mope

TurtleDude · Jul 12, 2020

Metric Mouse said:
Good night!

I wonder what kind of malfunction he had that he couldn't clear it and instead just went for another gun.

having a back up or doing a New York Reload, has its merits

Lutherf · Jul 12, 2020

TurtleDude said:
Sheriff: Three armed men broke into a gun collector's home.

According to Pasco County Sheriff Chris Nocco, the homeowner was in the house alone, playing video games. That’s when he heard glass shatter towards the back of the house.
According to the sheriff, the homeowner grabbed a gun and began walking down his hallway. That’s where he saw an armed intruder dressed in dark clothing and wearing a mask. Nocco said the homeowner shot and killed the first intruder, then took out the second one, who was right behind the first.
The sheriff says that at some point, one of the three intruders managed to fire a gun.
He missed. That was a big mistake. The homeowner shot back and hit him. That’s when the homeowner’s gun jammed, so he went to grab another one.
When he did, the third intruder managed to get up and run away.
A neighbor was there waiting… with a gun.
He stopped the criminal in his tracks and held him at gunpoint outside until Pasco County deputies arrived.

The survivor is charged with robbery and for the deaths of the other two mopes under the felony homicide rule

"Jammed" is always bad. Firearms maintenance is every bit as important as proficiency.

ttwtt78640 · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
I believe it's called "felony murder" if you are involved in a crime where someone dies you're charged with it.

There are many variations of what counts. Specifically when the person causing the death was not involved in committing the underlyng felony - such as the intended victim or a responding police officer (or neighbor).

How Is Felony Murder Defined? What Conditions Form the Basis of Felony Murder? | CriminalDefenseLawyer.com

Irredentist · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
I believe it's called "felony murder" if you are involved in a crime where someone dies you're charged with it.

I understand the principle, I just think that it's a ridiculous law. Unless your actions directly led to the death of someone else, you shouldn't be liable for that.

Bullseye · Jul 12, 2020

Irredentist said:
I understand the principle, I just think that it's a ridiculous law. Unless your actions directly led to the death of someone else, you shouldn't be liable for that.

If you're part of the crime, you do the time.

Bullseye · Jul 12, 2020

Crovax said:
Doesn’t mean it’s not a dumb law. There was one case where a passenger was in a car and the driver drove off from a traffic stop making it a felony, then crashed the car and killed himself getting the passenger charged with his “murder”

I was just giving the 30,000 ft view. Active participation is the crime also factors its, In this case all three were intent on robbery and were armed.

Irredentist · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
If you're part of the crime, you do the time.

He committed the crime of robbery, and that's what he should be charged with. He shouldn't be charged with homicide, because he didn't kill anyone.

Bum · Jul 12, 2020

Metric Mouse said:
Good night!

I wonder what kind of malfunction he had that he couldn't clear it and instead just went for another gun.

A well cleaned and lubricated firearm, and regular practice of Mozambique drills can prevent this....but even in the best of situations, jams can occur.

Metric Mouse · Jul 12, 2020

Bum said:
A well cleaned and lubricated firearm, and regular practice of Mozambique drills can prevent this....but even in the best of situations, jams can occur.

I've rarely experienced one a good tap and rack wouldn't clear, hence my question of what went so wrong he completely gave up on the weapon in his hand and went to another part of the house for a second one. (Except for my new 870 express... it clearly needs a little work.)

Mr Person · Jul 12, 2020

I wonder if the OP's creator posts the failure stories.

:thinking

Bum · Jul 12, 2020

Metric Mouse said:
I've rarely experienced one a good tap and rack wouldn't clear, hence my question of what went so wrong he completely gave up on the weapon in his hand and went to another part of the house for a second one. (Except for my new 870 express... it clearly needs a little work.)

I suppose it depends on what firearm he was using; based upon the article, it likely was not a revolver....I have never had a revolver jam.

Crovax · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
I was just giving the 30,000 ft view. Active participation is the crime also factors its, In this case all three were intent on robbery and were armed.

Attempted murder would be the correct charge IMO

Rich2018 · Jul 12, 2020

Irredentist said:
Charging the survivor with the deaths of the other two is just absurd. If he wasn't the one who shot them, then he shouldn't be culpable for their deaths.

I agree, even though under US law, if you're part of a gang that robs a gas station (for example) and someone gets killed, you treated as equally responsible

I'm not sure I've heard of gang members getting charged with murder when a homeowners shoots dead a member of the gang though.

Metric Mouse · Jul 12, 2020

Bum said:
I suppose it depends on what firearm he was using; based upon the article, it likely was not a revolver....I have never had a revolver jam.

That was my thought.

I've jammed a revolver, but only on qualifying courses where running several dozen of dirty practice rounds through at a high rate. Simply wiping down between runs would have prevented it, and not any concern in a defensive engagement.

Anyway, was just a passing thought.

Bullseye · Jul 12, 2020

Crovax said:
Attempted murder would be the correct charge IMO

Where'd you get your law degree? I would guess the guy that actual shot would get the attempted murder charge.

TurtleDude · Jul 12, 2020

Bullseye said:
Where'd you get your law degree? I would guess the guy that actual shot would get the attempted murder charge.

they are one in the same-the surviving robber got a shot off, and was wounded

CaughtInThe · Jul 12, 2020

These grandparents were gunned down by their grandson. probably pretty difficult to protect yourself from your own kin...
Man charged with murder in shooting death of grandparents | WLOS

This guy was gunned down by his son. Not sure how you you stop that...
Washington County man killed by his son | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

This woman was gunned down by her brother. Again, how do you stop that?
Man Shoots, Kills Sister Outside Home In Westchester, Police Say | Mount Vernon Daily Voice

there are but three examples (of many) of people being gunned down by their own family that puts a bit of a damper on the stories of the people protecting themselves (although those stories are good). these people certainly didn't protect themselves (i guess they didn't expect their own family to gun them down). and with a firearm homicide every 57 minutes in our country, i could post these kinds of stories each day. every day.

Rich2018 · Jul 12, 2020

Irredentist said:
He committed the crime of robbery, and that's what he should be charged with. He shouldn't be charged with homicide, because he didn't kill anyone.

Specifically, he didn't kill a victim

If the person who actually did the shooting is not charged, why would anyone else be ?

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