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Gun attack at Batman film premiere in Denver [W:120]

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You claim to be an expert on guns. And now you just proved you're lying about that too.

Assault rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is anything you yammer on about real?
 
presluc said:
Like I said sometimes less is better.

If an action like any I have mentioned can be avoided is it worth the hardship of waiting a little longer to get the gun you are buying.
Is it worth 12 innocent people's lives?eace
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more nonsense-this guy was planning this for MONTHS

post up-what sort of background checks would have prevented this massacre
 

I am sick of hand wringing ninnies blaming the millions of honest gun owners because someone isn't deterred by the possibility of 12 counts of capital murder. Why don't you suggest regulations that will do what you want without pissing on our rights

And don't give me the crap that its my rights vs your safety You gun restrictionists have never come close to proving your case
 
hazlnut said:
The guy had no history of buying 6000 rounds on the internet either.

That is the very definition of a RED FLAG!!!!
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But fortunately that is not something the government has a right to keep track of.

and most people who buy that much are serious target shooters. the instances of mass murderers buying that much ammo is infinitesimally small.
 
hazlnut said:
You claim to be an expert on guns. And now you just proved you're lying about that too.

Assault rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Is anything you yammer on about real?
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You are unable to tell the difference between an ASSAULT WEAPON and an ASSAULT RIFLE

color me shocked that you are ignorant of the difference

NOte I only mentioned WEAPONS not RIFLES

you lose yet again
 
Romulus said:
Your wiki page states "assault rifles" are "automatic", the weapon crazy dude used was semi-automatic.
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So eager to try to prove me wrong, Hazlnut couldn't tell the difference between a well known military term-assault rifle and the made up gun hating nonsense called "assault weapon"

I'd explain what a TItle II weapon is that requires a class III tax stamp but I doubt he'd understand it based on the stuff he posts on this subject
 

In the old west, the sheriffs used to make the cowboys turn in their guns before entering town and it did save a lot of lives. Last year Britain which has strict guns laws only had 58 homicides from a gun while the US had around 8,500 or so.
 
TurtleDude said:
You are unable to tell the difference between an ASSAULT WEAPON and an ASSAULT RIFLE

color me shocked that you are ignorant of the difference

NOte I only mentioned WEAPONS not RIFLES

you lose yet again
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wow correct.

assault weapon=term made up by the media to scare people.

assault rifle=fully AUTO RIFLE DESIGNED FOR CLOSE RANGE ASSAULT,by even the definition of assault rifle,they arent available to people,hence why the left who accuses the right of using fear,uses tragedies to intill fear into people and uses made up terms like assault weapons to instill fear into people in an attempt to scare people into following them.


maybe we should call the democratic party the party of fear.
 
Moot said:
In the old west, the sheriffs used to make the cowboys turn in their guns before entering town and it did save a lot of lives. Last year Britain which has strict guns laws only had 58 homicides from a gun while the US had around 8,500 or so.
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that was a local ordinance allowed by the tenth amendment. England banned handguns and their rate of violent crime and gun crime increased

we have eased carrying concealed weapons and the idiotic clinton gun ban disappeared and gun crime has decreased

btw England had even less crime before they started banning guns
 

Same sorta nonsense which led to the banning of bayonet lugs in the 90s.
 
Moot said:
In the old west, the sheriffs used to make the cowboys turn in their guns before entering town and it did save a lot of lives. Last year Britain which has strict guns laws only had 58 homicides from a gun while the US had around 8,500 or so.
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switzerland mandates gun use and has a crime rate at about one gun crime for every quarter million people.that itself debunks your entire argument when the country with one of the lowest gun murder rates in the world issues fully automatic weapons to all able bodied men,and allows them to buy back their rifle converted to semi auto after their service is done.
 


Hazlnut should know by now what happens when he is incorrect on this issue. I also know that the term assault rifle came from the waning days of the eastern front where both heavy battle rifles (the German Mauser 1898 and the Russian moison-Nagant) and pistol cartridge firing submachine guns were standard infantry issue and the thought was to combine the longer range power and accuracy of a battle rifle with the rapid fire capability of an SMG so that a squad of riflemen could suppress enemy movement. THe US was the first to have something like that in the M1 Carbine's full auto cousin-the M2 but the real first "assault rifle was a German Job. it was the inspiration for the first widely distributed assault rifle the AK 47.
 

Here's the form everyone must complete. You can see how it is worded and how each category applies. Just for the sake of knowledge, if you make the slightest mistake on the form, the dealer gives you a new form and makes you start all over again. That's been my experience.

As to what a person reveals to their mental health counselor, I'm pretty sure that if you are determined to be a danger to yourself or other people the therapist can have you committed for observation and evaluation. I'm not a therapist, but that is my understanding.
 
Romulus said:
Same sorta nonsense which led to the banning of bayonet lugs in the 90s.
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yeah if someone cannot kill you with a 20 round magazine of 556 NATO or 762x39 COMBLOC chances are a bayonet isn't going to do them much good

My favorite bit of bovine excrement was from UpChuck Scumbag-D NY who claimed the only purpose of a pistol grip was allowing one to shoot from the hip

that is really turdlike stuff. its far easier to shoot a conventional stock from the hip. Ask anyone who does trick shooting. When I was an RA at the USOTC we'd get bored and shoot rounds of skeet from the hip. a pistol grip is very uncomfortable in that position. it is easier to shoot a rifle with a real pistol grip one handed because you tuck the buttock under your armpit to stabilize it-a maneuver you do when opening a door or scaling a wall.
 
Moot said:
In the old west, the sheriffs used to make the cowboys turn in their guns before entering town and it did save a lot of lives. Last year Britain which has strict guns laws only had 58 homicides from a gun while the US had around 8,500 or so.
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And what is the wild west known for? Oh, and have you ever heard of Michael Robert Ryan? GB has a higher rate of violent crime than the U.S., they also have crazed gunmen who commit massacres.
 
A local ordinance huh? Then why wasn't Chicago allowed to ban guns in it's city limits? Gun crimes and homicides don't seem to be decreasing there much.

England had less crime, Canada had less crime, hell almost every civilized country in the world has less crime than the US. Why is that?
 

and once again the country witrh more fully auto rifles than all of europes population combines had the lowest gun crime of all!!!!!!!!!!!

SO LOW THEY STOPPED COUNTING IT!!their gun crime is one per 250,000 people,and the country has a little less than 8 mil people.

england has been under fire multiple times from both the us and european nation for blatantly lying about their crime rates.
 
I saw the film today, and the few hollywood action scenes of 'bad guys' spraying a crowd of innocents with bullets were uncomfortable.
 


because of a thing called the 14th amendment. same reason why cities or states cannot ignore the first amendment. Look it up

You are lying BTW. England has more violent crime

by 1998 the rate of violent and gun crime among WHITE EUROPEANS had surpassed WHITE americans. Yeah I know this is going to upset the PC hand wringers but black inner city drug crime rates skews our gun crime statistics way out of proportion to reality


a great exchange took place right after the 1994 elections. congress was holding hearings on some gun issue and the clinton side of the aisle had called some anti gun doctor who presented his findings about youth gun violence. Chuck Scumbag-then a congressman was lapping it up when the acidic Helen Chenoweth (R-Idaho-RIP) asked on question

In her saccarine syrupy voice she said

DR. did your studies include suburban and rural white youth or only inner city african-American youth?

DEAD SILENCE

More silence

finally

no


Chenoweth: well since I don't have many inner city African American youths who are drug dealers as constituents, why should my constituents be subject to laws that really have no use in relation to them

MORE SILENCE
 

That would be wonderful if we could.

So, how do we keep the guns out of the hands of maniacs?
 
Dittohead not! said:
That would be wonderful if we could.

So, how do we keep the guns out of the hands of maniacs?
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Regardless of whether guns are completely illegal or have no regulation to them whatsoever, the only way to prevent maniacs from getting guns and killing people is to first be able to identify the maniacs. It's not that people are only able to kill because they can buy guns, it's that it's impossible in many cases to identify who's "a little weird" versus who's preparing to slaughter a bunch of people.

There's also no way to control for all sorts of explosive chemicals that can be turned into home-made bombs, which this guy also apparently was able to do. So... how do we prevent maniacs from buying chemicals that can be put together into homemade bombs? You can't. All you can do is get better at identifying symptoms of mania or psychosis. But even then, you can't just interfere with people's lives because you find them to be a little cuckoo. They have to pretty clearly be a danger to themselves or others or at risk of not surviving on their own because they're so mentally ill. It's about as hard to identify the onset of mental illness in all people as it is to keep them from purchasing or wielding dangerous objects.

So don't worry about keeping dangerous people from being dangerous, as that is an impossible task. Concern yourself with being prepared for encounters with dangerous people by training yourself to self-defend. Pretty damn simple concept. Just because folks think of yourself as peaceful and rational doesn't mean others are. Be responsible and have a backup plan.
 
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And, there is the problem. How do we identify people who are likely to go off the deep end and start killing people?
And, if they're at that point, is preventing them from having guns going to stop them?
 
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