Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter

This was an article in the Guardian, which I think counts as a Mainstream news source - except it is not American, so maybe not. Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter

[proponents of diversity] retreat into a familiar platitude, which they repeat like a zen koan: diversity is our strength. But is diversity our strength? The less we have in common, the stronger we are? Is that true of families? Is it true in neighborhoods or businesses? Of course not. Then why is it true of America? Nobody knows. Nobody’s even allowed to ask the question.

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Why is diversity said to be our greatest strength? Does anyone even ask why? It is spoken like a mantra and repeated ad infinitum … But no one ever seems to give a reason why. What gives a nation strength? And how does diversity increase that strength? What part of diversity causes this increase in strength? No one can give an answer.

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or this

Thanks to mass immigration, America has experienced greater demographic change in the last few decades than any other country in history has undergone during peacetime. If you grew up in America, suddenly nothing looks the same. Your neighbors are different. So is the landscape and the customs and very often the languages you hear on the street. You may not recognize your own hometown. Human beings aren’t wired for that. [W]e are told these changes are entirely good. We must celebrate the fact that a nation that was overwhelmingly European, Christian, and English-speaking fifty years ago has become a place with no ethnic majority, immense religious pluralism, and no universally shared culture or language.

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Now, if you think this is a trick question, it is not. It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

NWRatCon said:

This was an article in the Guardian, which I think counts as a Mainstream news source - except it is not American, so maybe not. Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter versusor thisNow, if you think this is a trick question, it is not. It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

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Yeah, this is a tired game right here.

We already know that Carlson isn't a white supremacist, so just continued attempts to smear him, aren't really doing much.

Though I will make a juxtaposition here. When you come to this country, you're supposed to naturalize, not cordon yourself off into your own community, and become a minority civilization, within a minority group. That's why you have such horrible inner cities, and groups of people shoving almost their whole demographic into one section of the country, and not speaking English, or not practicing the countries customs. Some of them even practice the customs of their own countries, be they legal, or not.

So we can be a diverse country, yes. But if people come here and have no intention of becoming part of this country, bringing their preconceptions, their animosities, their worst traits.

That doesn't help at all.
My niece had to move because her school literally stopped speaking English, in almost ever aspect of it's public activities, and this was in California for crying out loud.

One of the pleasures of the intellectual life is to seek out mappings -- one-to-one correspondences between two apparently unrelated concepts. Another is seeking the opposite. Here's a case in point.

At present, the United States of America is undergoing a period in which a liking for an authoritarian sameness of culture, ideology and belief [Ed.: And a putting-down of differences,] has found a mouthpiece par excellence. We see it expressed time and again in many forms, including the last post which attempts to make it the responsibility for an immigrant to give up all and become 'American'.*

Meanwhile, there's the Constitution of the United States of America. It specifically limits the federal government's responsibilities through enumeration and the statement that whatever isn't specifically given to the federal government is the responsibility of the States. There's 50 of them at last count. 50 States which are free to go their own way in everything but a few enumerated areas. It's as if the founders of the Constitution were saying, 'Vive la différence!' [Ed.: But wait. That's French, not English, man. What's the matter with you? If you don't like the language, go back where you came from.]

* That particular argument neatly sidesteps the undeniable fact that the early arrivals of Europeans to what is now the United States of America did not assimilate with the culture of the Indians who inhabited the land surrounding them. That carries with it the assumption of the superiority of the culture of the Pilgrims. And so it goes.

Torus34 said:

* That particular argument neatly sidesteps the undeniable fact that the early arrivals of Europeans to what is now the United States of America did not assimilate with the culture of the Indians who inhabited the land surrounding them. That carries with it the assumption of the superiority of the culture of the Pilgrims. And so it goes.

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:lamo

I really like your whole post, but that last bullet just made me laugh

Slavister said:

:lamo

I really like your whole post, but that last bullet just made me laugh

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Thank you. I try my best to write clearly with an added soupçon of humor. I'm most pleased that you found the reading worthwhile.

Oborosen said:

Yeah, this is a tired game right here.

We already know that Carlson isn't a white supremacist, so just continued attempts to smear him, aren't really doing much.

Though I will make a juxtaposition here. When you come to this country, you're supposed to naturalize, not cordon yourself off into your own community, and become a minority civilization, within a minority group. That's why you have such horrible inner cities, and groups of people shoving almost their whole demographic into one section of the country, and not speaking English, or not practicing the countries customs. Some of them even practice the customs of their own countries, be they legal, or not.

So we can be a diverse country, yes. But if people come here and have no intention of becoming part of this country, bringing their preconceptions, their animosities, their worst traits.

That doesn't help at all.
My niece had to move because her school literally stopped speaking English, in almost ever aspect of it's public activities, and this was in California for crying out loud.

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He isn't saying that Friar Tucker is a white supremacist, silly boy. Their speeches are indistinguishable from each other.

Besides, are you saying that Chinatowns, Japantowns, and Korean areas are horrible inner cities? :lamo

NWRatCon said:

It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

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What you mean is that it's difficult to distinguish between their views on the value of diversity--challenging the orthodoxy on the subject.

I imagine it's likewise difficult to distinguish between their views on whether Pres. Obama was a great president, whether FOX News is a more reliable news source than MSNBC, and whether mandatory poodle shaving is a good idea.

If you think "Tucker Carlson shares some views with white supremacist terrorists, hence he must share all their views." is even close to being a fair or reasonable argument, let us know.

AProudLefty said:

He isn't saying that Friar Tucker is a white supremacist, silly boy. Their speeches are indistinguishable from each other.

Besides, are you saying that Chinatowns, Japantowns, and Korean areas are horrible inner cities? :lamo

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I've been to two of those over the years, and you don't want to go to some places ion them, if you aren't of the local demographic.

But still, this game of trying to conflate this crap with Carlson, is still getting old.

NWRatCon said:

This was an article in the Guardian, which I think counts as a Mainstream news source - except it is not American, so maybe not. Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter versusor thisNow, if you think this is a trick question, it is not. It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

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Maybe you should point out in what way his analysis is incorrect. Its easier for you to just smear the guy, I get that. Thats why you do it.

Oborosen said:

I've been to two of those over the years, and you don't want to go to some places ion them, if you aren't of the local demographic.

But still, this game of trying to conflate this crap with Carlson, is still getting old.

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Conflate? Have you read those quotes? Can you tell which quotes belong to Carlson? If that isn't concerning to you, then I have no idea what to say to you.

NWRatCon said:

This was an article in the Guardian, which I think counts as a Mainstream news source - except it is not American, so maybe not. Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter versusor thisNow, if you think this is a trick question, it is not. It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

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Fox News @ primerime is an audiobook of a shooter’s manifesto.

Fletch said:

Maybe you should point out in what way his analysis is incorrect. Its easier for you to just smear the guy, I get that. Thats why you do it.

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My neighborhoods look the same since 70's except for the clothes and taste. You?

AProudLefty said:

Conflate? Have you read those quotes? Can you tell which quotes belong to Carlson? If that isn't concerning to you, then I have no idea what to say to you.

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So lets say the shooter watched Tucker and liked his take on immigration. So what? Lots of people agree with Tucker and dont pull out a rifle and start shooting people. Nothing Tucker has said is an incitement to violence of any kind. Unhinged people will seek validation of their own beliefs just like sane people do. That the unhinged might grab a weapon and start shooting people is not the fault of the sane.

Fletch said:

So lets say the shooter watched Tucker and liked his take on immigration. So what? Lots of people agree with Tucker and dont pull out a rifle and start shooting people. Nothing Tucker has said is an incitement to violence of any kind. Unhinged people will seek validation of their own beliefs just like sane people do. That the unhinged might grab a weapon and start shooting people is not the fault of the sane.

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Friar Tucker's lies gave validation to the shooter's beliefs. Besides, I never said Tucker was trying to incite violence. Why do you keep seeing words that aren't there? Partisan blindness again?

AProudLefty said:

My neighborhoods look the same since 70's except for the clothes and taste. You?

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I havent noticed any change either, but I live in Ohio not a border state.

Fletch said:

I havent noticed any change either, but I live in Ohio not a border state.

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Then you agree Friar Tucker lied, no?

AProudLefty said:

Friar Tucker's lies gave validation to the shooter's beliefs. Besides, I never said Tucker was trying to incite violence. Why do you keep seeing words that aren't there? Partisan blindness again?

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This thread is about linking Tucker to the shooter :roll: And what 'lies' of his are you speaking of?

Fletch said:

This thread is about linking Tucker to the shooter :roll: And what 'lies' of his are you speaking of?

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Where in the OP did it link the shooter to Tucker? Are you seeing words that aren't there again?

And I just gave you an example of a lie above.

AProudLefty said:

Then you agree Friar Tucker lied, no?

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No. Because I have different experiences than you or Tucker does not make you or he a liar. I have a close friend who lives in Texas and a step father who lives in California. In their corners of the world, life has changed fairly dramatically where mine has not.

AProudLefty said:

Where in the OP did it link the shooter to Tucker?

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Now you are just trolling. Have a good day.

Fletch said:

I havent noticed any change either, but I live in Ohio not a border state.

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Been to New York recently? You would hate it; more foreign languages than you can count, and more of those funny-looking foreigners than you thought possible.

NWRatCon said:

This was an article in the Guardian, which I think counts as a Mainstream news source - except it is not American, so maybe not. Guess who said it: Tucker Carlson or a far-right shooter versusor thisNow, if you think this is a trick question, it is not. It is just very, very difficult to distinguish between Tucker Carlson's stated beliefs and the run-of-the-mill white supremacist terrorist.

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Hmm... this seems like an attempt to justify banning thoughts/speech of a law abiding persons if those (or very similar) thoughts/speech are shared by criminals (in this case terrorists). IMHO, a very common (and extremely dangerous) thought held (and often expressed) by criminals is that they feel entitled to take from others who they see as having too much in order to enrich themselves who they see as having too little. Should all who favor income/wealth redistribution be labeled as sharing the basic beliefs of common criminals?

snakestretcher said:

Been to New York recently? You would hate it; more foreign languages than you can count, and more of those funny-looking foreigners than you thought possible.

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Ive not been to New York and I wouldnt take your word on it anyway. Now, that doesnt mean you dont know a great deal about the freaks and weirdos in Devonshire, but nobody gives a *** about that.

ttwtt78640 said:

Hmm... this seems like an attempt to justify banning thoughts/speech of a law abiding persons if those (or very similar) thoughts/speech are shared by criminals (in this case terrorists). IMHO, a very common (and extremely dangerous) thought held (and often expressed) by criminals is that they feel entitled to take from others who they see as having too much in order to enrich themselves who they see as having too little. Should all who favor income/wealth redistribution be labeled as sharing the basic beliefs of common criminals?

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Are you seeing words that aren't there too?

Fletch said:

Ive not been to New York and I wouldnt take your word on it anyway. Now, that doesnt mean you dont know a great deal about the freaks and weirdos in Devonshire, but nobody gives a *** about that.

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You don't have to take my word:

How Many Languages Are Spoken in NYC? - WorldAtlas.com