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I thought the census issue was more an issue of deciding how to count resident and illegal aliens.
I think you guys are missing the most unusual part of this.
They moved they census from the commerce department to the white house.
The census helps decide if we new voting districts.
Just my speculation, but maybe the Obama team will muddle the census to gain more power for Democrats. Gregg may not have wanted to have anything to do with that.
I thought the census issue was more an issue of deciding how to count resident and illegal aliens.
Proposition 8.
No. Conservatives believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.How in the hell was prop 8 a Conservative issue? Last I checked, conservatives were bitching and moaning that their party was hijacked by Social Conservatives under the Bush administration and wanted to get back to fiscal conservatism (you know, like the idea was originally intended). Social Conservatives and Fiscal (original) Conservatives are in no way similar. Social conservatives want to CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION to not allow gay marriage. That is so far against what the conservative movement is that they should be disgusted.
No. Conservatives believe marriage should be between a man and a woman.
I don't know of gay marriage being any societal norm anywhere in the world.
And where will you draw the line?
Where?
Right now it's drawn on simple lines that date back a few years and through all societies.
The whiners about Reagan conservatives has proven to be a flop.
We just had Thee Moderate Maverick and look what happened!
And against who? An absolute light weight Marxist.
No, the party went to Palin, a Reaganite, to get the party fired up.
Conservatism is an American norm.This is a hilarious post!
Left handedness isn't a societal norm.
Palin a Reaganite? :rofl
Conservatism is an American norm.
How in the hell was prop 8 a Conservative issue? Last I checked, conservatives were bitching and moaning that their party was hijacked by Social Conservatives under the Bush administration and wanted to get back to fiscal conservatism (you know, like the idea was originally intended). Social Conservatives and Fiscal (original) Conservatives are in no way similar. Social conservatives want to CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION to not allow gay marriage. That is so far against what the conservative movement is that they should be disgusted.
You should read my post in the context of what I replied to. If most of the country were against conservatives, as the the statement I replied to implied, then how in the hell did Prop 8 pass in California?
Maybe because we're unfamiliar with it.The GOP can't even get homophobia right? :lol:
Maybe because we're unfamiliar with it.
Maybe because we're unfamiliar with it.
Q: How many Republican politicians can you fit in the closet?
A: Evidently, all of them.
It’s gone past ridiculous and straight to the absurd. At this point, it appears your average public restroom has more gay Republicans in it than clean handtowels. The “holier-than-thou” party has spent an awful lot of time on their knees this past year, but they haven’t been doing a lot of praying.
I have no theories why this is the case, other than I think that being gay is the way God made some people and being conservative is a choice, and almost every Republican I’ve met thinks the opposite.
But why question it? The larger point is that if you enjoy seeing politicians destroyed by their own hypocrisy, it’s been a very, very good year. So I give you the top five republican gay sex scandals of the past 12 months.
1. Mark Foley
U.S. Representative
(September 28, 2006)
The Crime: Sending sexually laced, gramatically challenged instant messages and e-mails to teenaged boys in the Congressional page program for more than 10 years.
The Hypocrisy: Chairman of the House Caucus on Missing and Exploited Children. One of the foremost opponents of child pornography in the Senate.
2. Ted Haggard
Leader of the National Association of Evangelicals
(November 2006)
The Crime: Paying male prostitutes for sex and snorting crystal meth.
The Hypocrisy: A powerful force in the evangelical movement, Haggard participated in weekly meetings with President George Bush and top advisors where he gave spiritual advice. He taught that homosexuality was an abomination and actively lobbied against gay rights.
The Quote: “I did not have a homosexual relationship with a man in Denver.”
3. Larry Craig
U.S. Senator
Senate Liason for Mitt Romney’s Presidential Campaign
(June 11, 2007)
The Crime: Soliciting sex from an undercover cop in an airport bathroom
The Hypocrisy: Craig twice voted against adding the words “sexual orientation” to the federal hate crimes law. Craig also voted to give states the right to refuse to recognize gay marriage–a right they already had, but the Senator wanted to really, really prove he didn’t like gay people.
The Quote: “I am not gay, I don’t do these kinds of things.”
4. Bob Allen
Member of the Florida House of Representatives
Florida Chairman of John McCain’s Presidential Campaign
(July 11, 2007)
The Crime: Offering an undercover cop $20 to allow Allen to blow him in a men’s room in a public park. After being arrested, Allen tried to explain that he only offered to blow the cop because the cop was a “burly black man” and he “didn’t want to become a statistic.”
The Hypocrisy: Allen was one of 21 Florida legislators to sign Gov. Jeb Bush’s friend-of-the-court brief supporting the state’s ban on gays adopting children, and he co-sponsored an unsuccessful bill that would have enhanced penalties for “offenses involving unnatural and lascivious acts” such as indecent exposure.
The Quote: “I certainly wasn’t there to have sex with anybody and certainly wasn’t there to exchange money for it.”
5. Glenn Murphy Jr.
National Chairman of the Young Republicans
Chairman of the Clark County Republican Party
(July 28, 2007)
The Crime: Murphy got a fellow Young Republican drunk and then spent the night at his house. The other young man woke up in the middle of the night to find Murphy giving him mouth-to-penis resuscitation. After this incident, a 1998 sexual battery report came to light in which Murphy was alleged to have done the exact same thing.
The Hypocrisy: Murphy was a well-paid political consultant for Republican candidates and often advised them to use gay marriage as a wedge issue to paint their opponents as out of touch with traditional values.
The Quote: “I was in the Sound of Music in High School…don’t ask” (from his now-defunct Myspace page.)
Even liberal California voted conservative when they were able to do so based on issues. And by "most", I assume that you meant the percentage who voted for Obama, which was about 51%. So if y'all want to come after the remainder, then by all means bring it on. After all, we've got the guns. :mrgreen:
:rofl
And this is eveidenced by the makeup of all three branches of government right?
You failed to read the article didn't you?
It shows.
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Originally Posted by Moon View Post
You should read my post in the context of what I replied to. If most of the country were against conservatives, as the the statement I replied to implied, then how in the hell did Prop 8 pass in California?
The GOP can't even get homophobia right?The GOP can't even get homophobia right? :lol:
Did one of the far left's Proposition's pass during the last election? In any state?
I thought it was Zero. The left lost all their pet races that mattered... indicating what? The country is conservative on the whole.
Obama is a one time, trick pony.
The most inexperienced President we've had who has some laughably bad connections that would have sent any other candidate packing in Iowa.
But hey! He's yours.
To think, you folks had the Republicans in a corner only a few weeks ago, and the leadership of the party Obama, Pelosi and Reid shat on them so bad they have been able to raise the middle finger to Obama... and actually start fighting.
The entire Democrat caucus in the Senate, and all but seven in the House.Who is the "far left"?
:ranton:
I see nothing here that does anything to dissuade me from what I've always thought: extreme partisan conservatives and extreme partisan liberals alike need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Perhaps then all of the stupidity, the political gridlock, the finger pointing, the vengeance, and the political hackery that makes each side look idiotic would stop. Perhaps then America could be "one nation under God". Of course there are too many that are invested in anger, hate, and proving the other guy is wrong rather than looking at progress or solutions, or actually looking past their own partisan hackery to see anything.
:ranton:
Even liberal California voted conservative when they were able to do so based on issues. And by "most", I assume that you meant the percentage who voted for Obama, which was about 51%. So if y'all want to come after the remainder, then by all means bring it on. After all, we've got the guns. :mrgreen:
Even liberal California voted conservative when they were able to do so based on issues. And by "most", I assume that you meant the percentage who voted for Obama, which was about 51%. So if y'all want to come after the remainder, then by all means bring it on. After all, we've got the guns. :mrgreen:
LOL.:ranton:
I see nothing here that does anything to dissuade me from what I've always thought: extreme partisan conservatives and extreme partisan liberals alike need to be wiped off the face of the earth. Perhaps then all of the stupidity, the political gridlock, the finger pointing, the vengeance, and the political hackery that makes each side look idiotic would stop. Perhaps then America could be "one nation under God". Of course there are too many that are invested in anger, hate, and proving the other guy is wrong rather than looking at progress or solutions, or actually looking past their own partisan hackery to see anything.
:ranton:
Are you asking for the extermination of the Democrat Party?Perhaps then all of the stupidity, the political gridlock, the finger pointing, the vengeance, and the political hackery that makes each side look idiotic would stop.
LOL.
Are you Rodney King?
"Can't we all just get along?"
Are you asking for the extermination of the Democrat Party?
It sounds like it to me.
For they hold the key to stopping the stupidity. When they stop lying about who they are during elections, when they run honest campaigns... then we might have some progress... but the truth is a difficult row to hoe for the socialist... because it fails miserably in America when honestly put up for a vote.
Tell me...
How do you stop the onward march of socialism destroying what was a perfectly good foundation for a country?
Let the socialist have their way little by little until it's vanished?
That's what's happening, except now at a rapid clip.
Hamilton, Franklin, Jefferson... replaced by Marx, Engels and Lenin. Or Schroeder, Gysi and LaFontaine.
Either you are right or you're wrong.
There are fundamental truths formed through thousands of years of civilization.
There is a perfectly good historical record on how to proceed, and the Founding Fathers did a good job setting a foundation for the nation using it. Socialism has proven deficient in providing the greatest good to the greatest number over the longest period of time.
But let's all get along.
For the good of the country.
So we can really get things done.
For the good of the country.
Ding, ding, ding!
Wake up call.
Sorry, the country wasn't set up that way.
It was set up for slow motion and tough political battles.
Where sheep get slaughtered.
No Rodney, it's people who believe they can give a little bit away of their soul on a daily basis are the problem.I wouldn't have expected you to get it. You are part of the problem.
More hyperpartisan bs. Extremist from both sides, IMO, need to be eliminated. Of course, those extremists are too set in their ways and too closedminded to see themselves as extremists, so I doubt this will occur.
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