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There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.
danarhea said:The following is a paper from the Army College, which is owned by the Carlisle Group. In case you dont know, the board of the Carlisle Group is a who's who of prominent Neocons, whose plan is a cultural assault on the world to force it to accept our values. This is what Iraq is about, this will be what the Iran war will be about, and this will be what the many wars of the future we are planning to engage in will be about. This is also the crazy plan by the wackos running our government that will leave us as citizens of a third world nation.
Article is here.
GySgt said:This is an essay written by Lt.Col. (Retired) Ralph Peters. He had spent a lot of time on Active Duty in counter terrorism intelligence. He is a novelist and a commentator. His military career and personal interests have taken him to almost sixty countries, from the Andean Ridge to Southeast Asia, and from Kremlin negotiations to refugee camps in the Caucasus and the frontline in Kashmir. His works have been printed in Parameters, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, The Washington Post, Newsweek, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the Maerkische Zeitung, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Los Angeles Times, Newsday, The National Post (Canada), American Heritage, Maclean’s, The American Spectator, The Washington Monthly, Parameters, Proceedings, Strategic Review, The Australian Financial Review and other national and international publications. He has appeared on all of the major American television networks, on the BBC, on Canadian and Australian television, and on various European networks, on National Public Radio, and on a wide range of other domestic and foreign radio networks. He has lectured in the United States, Europe and Asia, to government, academic and business audiences, on a wide range of strategy-related subjects, from military issues to why cultures fail and the impact of the information age on the security environment.
He is known as one of America's top strategists. He is also usually correct. However, you are ignorantly twisting the inevitable clash between the Western World and the Muslim world as a "NeoCon" plan.
What you should have gathered from the reading is simple. Technology is the future. The advances of the Western World is the future. The freedoms of the Western World is the future. It isn't a matter of America "forcing" the rest of the world to "accept" our culture. Europe, Asia, and the America's share a sense of free cultures. We aren't forcing anything. It is the future for all those that face forward. For those that look back to myth to define what the rest of the world should look like will be trampled and left in the wake. It is the natural course of progress. This is where our civilizations are clashing. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia...these are breeding grounds for terrorism. They must change.
Are you this desperate to blame "NeoCons" for anything?
danarhea said:Not at all. I look at the source:
http://[COLOR=Red]carlisle[/COLOR]-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97summer/peters.htm
Must be a day that end in "y"...A thread started with falsities and crap that couldn't even pass for innuendo...danarhea said:In case you dont know, the board of the Carlisle Group is a who's who of prominent Neocons, whose plan is a cultural assault on the world to force it to accept our values.
wikipedia said:Politicians affiliated with Carlyle
Alice Albright, daughter of ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor
George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003.
George W. Bush, current U.S. President. Was appointed in 1990 to the Board of Directors of one of Carlyle's first acquisitions, an airline food business called Caterair, which Carlyle eventually sold at a loss. Bush left the board in 1992 to later become Governor of Texas, where he was responsible for appointing several members of the board which controlled the investment of Texas teachers' pension funds. A few years later, the board decided to invest $100m of public money in the Carlyle Group.
Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989, chairman emeritus and currently strategic business advisor. Also, former Princeton roommate and wrestling partner of present US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
Richard Darman, former Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George H. W. Bush, Senior Advisor and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group
William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle's Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group
Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor
John Major, former British Prime Minister, Chairman, Carlyle Europe until May 2004, and other posts to the present
Frank McKenna, Canadian ambassador (effective March 1, 2005) to the United States, former member of Carlyle's Canadian advisory board
Mack McLarty, White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton, President of Kissinger McLarty Associates, Carlyle Senior Advisor Anand Panyarachun, former premier of Thailand
Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State
Fidel Ramos, former president of the Philippines, Carlyle Asia Advisor Board Member until the board was disbanded in February 2004
Park Tae Joon, former prime minister of South Korea
Robert Zoellick, former United States Trade Representative and current Deputy Secretary of State
The Saudi Arabian relatives of Osama bin Laden (not Osama bin Laden himself) were also minor investors in Carlyle until October 2001 when the family sold its $2.02 million investment back to the firm in light of the public controversy surrounding the bin Laden family after September 11.
Businesspersons affiliated with Carlyle
Paul Desmarais, Chairman of the Power Corporation of Canada
Arthur Levitt, former chairman of the SEC
Karl Otto Pöhl, former president of the Bundesbank
George Soros, international investor and liberal political activist
Luis Téllez Kuenzler, Mexican economist, former Secretary of Energy under Zedillo administration
William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle's Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group
William E. Kennard was elected to the Board of Directors of The New York Times Company in 2001.
Mr. Kennard joined The Carlyle Group, a private equity firm, in May 2001 as a managing director in the global telecommunications and media group. Before joining The Carlyle Group, Mr. Kennard served as Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission from November 1997 to January 2001.
Mr. Kennard served as the FCC's general counsel from December 1993 to November 1997. Before serving in the government, Mr. Kennard was a partner and a member of the board of directors of the law firm of Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson and Hand.
Mr. Kennard is also a member of the board of directors of Nextel Communications, Inc. and Dex Media, Inc.
So this guy Kennard works for this law firm, get a job with cigarboy from '93 to '97, then his old law firm becomes the BIGGEST GROSSING LOBBYING PRACTICE in 1997!In 1997, Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson & Hand, Chartered, was the biggest grossing lobbying practice. However, Verner Liipfert was heavily reliant on income from its tobacco lobbying. As a result, no one has been as hard hit by the decline in tobacco revenues. Verner Liipfert’s income has dropped to $15.95 million, a 15 percent decline from 1998. With the tobacco money all but gone, Verner Liipfert is far less exposed to variations in the market. Just 26 percent of its income comes from its top five clients, and no sector accounts for more than a quarter of Verner Liipfert’s income. Verner Liipfert employed 85 lobbyists in 1999.
cnredd said:Must be a day that end in "y"...A thread started with falsities and crap that couldn't even pass for innuendo...
Let's take a look at these "Neocons", shall we?...
Yeah...Clinton Administration represented along with the daughter of Madman Albright and that wonderful "Neocon"...George Soros...
You know Soros, right?...The guy who stated up MoveOn.org?...
That guy just drips "neocon"...:roll:
Another strike...Geez...This one wasn't even a swinging strike...This was a called strike, with the bat still on your shoulder...:roll:
BTW - After a little more investigating...
About this part here...
Anyone wanna take a guess what he does now?...
ooohhhhh....That bastion of Neo-Conservatism...The New York Times...:roll:
BTW...YET AGAIN - This just gets even funnier...ya see that law firm in Kennard's bio?...Check it out...
So this guy Kennard works for this law firm, get a job with cigarboy from '93 to '97, then his old law firm becomes the BIGGEST GROSSING LOBBYING PRACTICE in 1997!
WOW!!!...These "Neocons" are running wild!...:rofl
In fact the bin Ladens had millions sunk into the Carlisle Group forced only to remove it or at least that's as much as we know after September 11th with the embarrassment of Bush being one of their main ambassadors, Bush Sr. and James Baker, etc. and bin Laden's funding this company.
CRAIG UNGER: Right. In fact on September 11th itself, the Carlisle Group was having a meeting that morning at the Ritz Carlton in Washington D.C., and one of the bin Laden members, whose company has invested in Carlisle was present while the attacks were taking place, as was Secretary of State James Baker. AMY GOODMAN: And George Bush had just flown out earlier, President George Bush, Sr. Last question, the response at Logan airport, one of the places where the hijackers had flown from, when they were told that all traffic was grounded, they were to allow a flight that took out Saudis and members of the bin Laden family. The response of the officials at Logan airport.
:rofl :rofl :roflSimon W. Moon said:The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.
Oh my God, that's classic. It appears the poster duped himself in his own thread.Simon W. Moon said:The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.
KCConservative said:Oh my God, that's classic. It appears the poster duped himself in his own thread.
Let us skip the name-calling.Goobieman said:What a maroon.
Simon W. Moon said:The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.
There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.
danarhea said:My bad. Was I dumber than a box of rocks on that point? You betcha. LOL.
However, the premise of perpetual war with the goal of forcing our values on the rest of the world still holds true. Once again, from the link:
[Government Plans for Endless War Revealed /QUOTE]
If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......
Bush didn't start this war...Bush just happens to be the first person to retaliate with substance against those who have declared war on western civilization decades ago...Navy Pride said:If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......
cnredd said:Bush didn't start this war...Bush just happens to be the first person to retaliate with substance against those who have declared war on western civilization decades ago...
Nothing scary at all...Navy Pride said:Agree, wow, that is scary........
Navy Pride said:If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......
cnredd said:Nothing scary at all...
I agree with almost everything you say, but disagree heavily with how you say it...
You interpret this as an attack on your position...which couldn't be further from the truth...
danarhea said:The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.
Goobieman said:What, exactly, do you think the military does, if not protect our economy and our way of life?
You act as if this is something new, when in fact it ha sbeen in place for over 200 years.
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