Government Plans for Endless War Revealed (1 Viewer)

[danarhea]

The following is a paper from the Army College, which is owned by the Carlisle Group. In case you dont know, the board of the Carlisle Group is a who's who of prominent Neocons, whose plan is a cultural assault on the world to force it to accept our values. This is what Iraq is about, this will be what the Iran war will be about, and this will be what the many wars of the future we are planning to engage in will be about. This is also the crazy plan by the wackos running our government that will leave us as citizens of a third world nation.

There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

Article is here.

 

[MSgt]

The following is a paper from the Army College, which is owned by the Carlisle Group. In case you dont know, the board of the Carlisle Group is a who's who of prominent Neocons, whose plan is a cultural assault on the world to force it to accept our values. This is what Iraq is about, this will be what the Iran war will be about, and this will be what the many wars of the future we are planning to engage in will be about. This is also the crazy plan by the wackos running our government that will leave us as citizens of a third world nation.



Article is here.

This is an essay written by Lt.Col. (Retired) Ralph Peters. He had spent a lot of time on Active Duty in counter terrorism intelligence. He is a novelist and a commentator. His military career and personal interests have taken him to almost sixty countries, from the Andean Ridge to Southeast Asia, and from Kremlin negotiations to refugee camps in the Caucasus and the frontline in Kashmir. His works have been printed in Parameters, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, The Washington Post, Newsweek, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the Maerkische Zeitung, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Los Angeles Times, Newsday, The National Post (Canada), American Heritage, Maclean’s, The American Spectator, The Washington Monthly, Parameters, Proceedings, Strategic Review, The Australian Financial Review and other national and international publications. He has appeared on all of the major American television networks, on the BBC, on Canadian and Australian television, and on various European networks, on National Public Radio, and on a wide range of other domestic and foreign radio networks. He has lectured in the United States, Europe and Asia, to government, academic and business audiences, on a wide range of strategy-related subjects, from military issues to why cultures fail and the impact of the information age on the security environment.

He is known as one of America's top strategists. He is also usually correct. However, you are ignorantly twisting the inevitable clash between the Western World and the Muslim world as a "NeoCon" plan.

What you should have gathered from the reading is simple. Technology is the future. The advances of the Western World is the future. The freedoms of the Western World is the future. It isn't a matter of America "forcing" the rest of the world to "accept" our culture. Europe, Asia, and the America's share a sense of free cultures. We aren't forcing anything. It is the future for all those that face forward. For those that look back to myth to define what the rest of the world should look like will be trampled and left in the wake. It is the natural course of progress. This is where our civilizations are clashing. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia...these are breeding grounds for terrorism. They must change.

Are you this desperate to blame "NeoCons" for anything?

 

[danarhea]

This is an essay written by Lt.Col. (Retired) Ralph Peters. He had spent a lot of time on Active Duty in counter terrorism intelligence. He is a novelist and a commentator. His military career and personal interests have taken him to almost sixty countries, from the Andean Ridge to Southeast Asia, and from Kremlin negotiations to refugee camps in the Caucasus and the frontline in Kashmir. His works have been printed in Parameters, The Wall Street Journal, The New York Post, The Washington Post, Newsweek, the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, the Maerkische Zeitung, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, The Los Angeles Times, Newsday, The National Post (Canada), American Heritage, Maclean’s, The American Spectator, The Washington Monthly, Parameters, Proceedings, Strategic Review, The Australian Financial Review and other national and international publications. He has appeared on all of the major American television networks, on the BBC, on Canadian and Australian television, and on various European networks, on National Public Radio, and on a wide range of other domestic and foreign radio networks. He has lectured in the United States, Europe and Asia, to government, academic and business audiences, on a wide range of strategy-related subjects, from military issues to why cultures fail and the impact of the information age on the security environment.

He is known as one of America's top strategists. He is also usually correct. However, you are ignorantly twisting the inevitable clash between the Western World and the Muslim world as a "NeoCon" plan.

What you should have gathered from the reading is simple. Technology is the future. The advances of the Western World is the future. The freedoms of the Western World is the future. It isn't a matter of America "forcing" the rest of the world to "accept" our culture. Europe, Asia, and the America's share a sense of free cultures. We aren't forcing anything. It is the future for all those that face forward. For those that look back to myth to define what the rest of the world should look like will be trampled and left in the wake. It is the natural course of progress. This is where our civilizations are clashing. Iran, Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia...these are breeding grounds for terrorism. They must change.

Are you this desperate to blame "NeoCons" for anything?

Not at all. I look at the source:

http://[COLOR=Red]carlisle[/COLOR]-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97summer/peters.htm

 

[MSgt]

Not at all. I look at the source:

http://[COLOR=Red]carlisle[/COLOR]-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/97summer/peters.htm

No shiit. As I stated...It is an essay printed in Parameters. Parameters is a quarterly written publication at the U.S. Army War College.

It should also be noted that LtCol Peters maintains strict independence from all political parties, special-interest groups and lobbying organizations. He has served in infantry units, in the Pentagon, and in the Executive Office of the President. He retired from the U.S. Army shortly after his promotion to lieutenant colonel so he could write and speak freely and not be restricted from writing about things against our government. Hardly, a "NeoCon" conspiracy. Get over yourself. Either you are such a liberal left winged nut (opposite of a "NeoCon") that you can't see straight or you simply have so much hate for the current administration that you salivate over anything that might allow for a desperate lunge.

By the way....conspiracy theories belong in another forum. An essay written in 1997 is hardly "Today's News." And an essay written in 1997 is hardly cause for the thread title "Government Plans for Endless War Revealed." If there was any sort of grand revelation it would have happened 8 in a half years ago when it was printed.


This crusade of yours has turned into a joke. Like I asked...."Are you this desperate to blame "NeoCons" for anything?"

 

[cnredd]

In case you dont know, the board of the Carlisle Group is a who's who of prominent Neocons, whose plan is a cultural assault on the world to force it to accept our values.

Must be a day that end in "y"...A thread started with falsities and crap that couldn't even pass for innuendo...

Let's take a look at these "Neocons", shall we?...

Politicians affiliated with Carlyle

Alice Albright, daughter of ex-Secretary of State Madeleine Albright
James Baker III, former United States Secretary of State under George H. W. Bush, Staff member under Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, Carlyle Senior Counselor
George H. W. Bush, former U.S. President, Senior Advisor to the Carlyle Asia Advisory Board from April 1998 to October 2003.
George W. Bush, current U.S. President. Was appointed in 1990 to the Board of Directors of one of Carlyle's first acquisitions, an airline food business called Caterair, which Carlyle eventually sold at a loss. Bush left the board in 1992 to later become Governor of Texas, where he was responsible for appointing several members of the board which controlled the investment of Texas teachers' pension funds. A few years later, the board decided to invest $100m of public money in the Carlyle Group.
Frank C. Carlucci, former United States Secretary of Defense from 1987 to 1989, chairman emeritus and currently strategic business advisor. Also, former Princeton roommate and wrestling partner of present US Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld.
Richard Darman, former Director of the U.S. Office of Management and Budget under George H. W. Bush, Senior Advisor and Managing Director of The Carlyle Group
William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle's Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group
Arthur Levitt, Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle Senior Advisor
John Major, former British Prime Minister, Chairman, Carlyle Europe until May 2004, and other posts to the present
Frank McKenna, Canadian ambassador (effective March 1, 2005) to the United States, former member of Carlyle's Canadian advisory board
Mack McLarty, White House Chief of Staff under President Bill Clinton, President of Kissinger McLarty Associates, Carlyle Senior Advisor Anand Panyarachun, former premier of Thailand
Colin Powell, former United States Secretary of State
Fidel Ramos, former president of the Philippines, Carlyle Asia Advisor Board Member until the board was disbanded in February 2004
Park Tae Joon, former prime minister of South Korea
Robert Zoellick, former United States Trade Representative and current Deputy Secretary of State
The Saudi Arabian relatives of Osama bin Laden (not Osama bin Laden himself) were also minor investors in Carlyle until October 2001 when the family sold its $2.02 million investment back to the firm in light of the public controversy surrounding the bin Laden family after September 11.

Businesspersons affiliated with Carlyle

Paul Desmarais, Chairman of the Power Corporation of Canada
Arthur Levitt, former chairman of the SEC
Karl Otto Pöhl, former president of the Bundesbank
George Soros, international investor and liberal political activist
Luis Téllez Kuenzler, Mexican economist, former Secretary of Energy under Zedillo administration

Yeah...Clinton Administration represented along with the daughter of Madman Albright and that wonderful "Neocon"...George Soros...

You know Soros, right?...The guy who stated up MoveOn.org?...

That guy just drips "neocon"...:roll:

Another strike...Geez...This one wasn't even a swinging strike...This was a called strike, with the bat still on your shoulder...:roll:

BTW - After a little more investigating...

About this part here...

William Kennard, Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission (FCC) under President Bill Clinton, Carlyle's Managing Director in the Telecommunications & Media Group

Anyone wanna take a guess what he does now?...

William E. Kennard was elected to the Board of Directors of The New York Times Company in 2001.

Mr. Kennard joined The Carlyle Group, a private equity firm, in May 2001 as a managing director in the global telecommunications and media group. Before joining The Carlyle Group, Mr. Kennard served as Chairman of the U.S. Federal Communications Commission from November 1997 to January 2001.

Mr. Kennard served as the FCC's general counsel from December 1993 to November 1997. Before serving in the government, Mr. Kennard was a partner and a member of the board of directors of the law firm of Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson and Hand.

Mr. Kennard is also a member of the board of directors of Nextel Communications, Inc. and Dex Media, Inc.

ooohhhhh....That bastion of Neo-Conservatism...The New York Times...:roll:

BTW...YET AGAIN - This just gets even funnier...ya see that law firm in Kennard's bio?...Check it out...

In 1997, Verner, Liipfert, Bernhard, McPherson & Hand, Chartered, was the biggest grossing lobbying practice. However, Verner Liipfert was heavily reliant on income from its tobacco lobbying. As a result, no one has been as hard hit by the decline in tobacco revenues. Verner Liipfert’s income has dropped to $15.95 million, a 15 percent decline from 1998. With the tobacco money all but gone, Verner Liipfert is far less exposed to variations in the market. Just 26 percent of its income comes from its top five clients, and no sector accounts for more than a quarter of Verner Liipfert’s income. Verner Liipfert employed 85 lobbyists in 1999.

So this guy Kennard works for this law firm, get a job with cigarboy from '93 to '97, then his old law firm becomes the BIGGEST GROSSING LOBBYING PRACTICE in 1997!

WOW!!!...These "Neocons" are running wild!...:rofl

 

[Australianlibertarian]

After seeing the rediculous protests in response to a set of cartoons, I now understand the nutters these people are.

Are large section of the Arab world has a massive inferiority complex, they blame everything on us and Zionism, yet seem to forget that it is their very cultural conservatism, that is stagnating their nations.

Interestingly, Turkey would have to be the most progressive of all the majority Muslim nations, thanks in due to Attaturk. He understood that religious conservatism in its extreme form would ruin societies.

Anyway I'd rather stand up and fight than let the global caphilate rise again.

But ultimately Islam, has to change. As soon as Muslims stop playing themselves as victims and realise that their economic and cultural stagnation is caused religious conservatism, then we might just see a religious reformation.

Only time will tell.

 

[danarhea]

Must be a day that end in "y"...A thread started with falsities and crap that couldn't even pass for innuendo...

Let's take a look at these "Neocons", shall we?...



Yeah...Clinton Administration represented along with the daughter of Madman Albright and that wonderful "Neocon"...George Soros...

You know Soros, right?...The guy who stated up MoveOn.org?...

That guy just drips "neocon"...:roll:

Another strike...Geez...This one wasn't even a swinging strike...This was a called strike, with the bat still on your shoulder...:roll:

BTW - After a little more investigating...

About this part here...



Anyone wanna take a guess what he does now?...



ooohhhhh....That bastion of Neo-Conservatism...The New York Times...:roll:

BTW...YET AGAIN - This just gets even funnier...ya see that law firm in Kennard's bio?...Check it out...

So this guy Kennard works for this law firm, get a job with cigarboy from '93 to '97, then his old law firm becomes the BIGGEST GROSSING LOBBYING PRACTICE in 1997!

WOW!!!...These "Neocons" are running wild!...:rofl

You are operating under the false assumption that Neocons are necessarily Republicans. Many Democrats and so-called Liberals support Neocon policies when it comes to projecting power and culturally assaulting the world.

You also missed some of the other movers and shakers in Carlisle.

In fact the bin Ladens had millions sunk into the Carlisle Group forced only to remove it or at least that's as much as we know after September 11th with the embarrassment of Bush being one of their main ambassadors, Bush Sr. and James Baker, etc. and bin Laden's funding this company.

CRAIG UNGER: Right. In fact on September 11th itself, the Carlisle Group was having a meeting that morning at the Ritz Carlton in Washington D.C., and one of the bin Laden members, whose company has invested in Carlisle was present while the attacks were taking place, as was Secretary of State James Baker. AMY GOODMAN: And George Bush had just flown out earlier, President George Bush, Sr. Last question, the response at Logan airport, one of the places where the hijackers had flown from, when they were told that all traffic was grounded, they were to allow a flight that took out Saudis and members of the bin Laden family. The response of the officials at Logan airport.

Article is here.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.

 

[cnredd]

The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

That IS hilarious!....

I ended up seeing it as a typo and went that route...and now we find out it wasn't a typo at all...just two comletely different entities...

From here on out I guess I gotta start asking, "Do you know WHO you're talking about?" instead of just, "Do you know WHAT you're talking about?"...

 

[KCConservative]

The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.

Oh my God, that's classic. It appears the poster duped himself in his own thread.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Parameters publishes some great stuff. The views expressed there are not all the same. The views are all informed though, which is why I like to read through their stuff.

 

[Goobieman]

Oh my God, that's classic. It appears the poster duped himself in his own thread.

Yes indeed.

And did anyone see the date on the article?
Summer 1997.

What a maroon.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

What a maroon.

Let us skip the name-calling.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

Some choice quotes from the Parameters piece.

The radical fundamentalists--the bomber in Jerusalem or Oklahoma City, the moral terrorist on the right or the dictatorial multiculturalist on the left--are all brothers and sisters, all threatened by change, terrified of the future, and alienated by information they cannot reconcile with their lives or ambitions. They ache to return to a golden age that never existed, or to create a paradise of their own restrictive design.

These noncompetitive cultures, such as that of Arabo-Persian Islam or the rejectionist segment of our own population, are enraged. Their cultures are under assault; their cherished values have proven dysfunctional, and the successful move on without them. The laid-off blue-collar worker in America and the Taliban militiaman in Afghanistan are brothers in suffering.

This discarded foreigner's desire may be to attack the "Great Satan America," but America is far away (for now), so he acts violently in his own neighborhood. He will accept no personal guilt for his failure, nor can he bear the possibility that his culture "doesn't work." The blame lies ever elsewhere. The cult of victimization is becoming a universal phenomenon, and it is a source of dynamic hatreds.

Secular and religious revolutionaries in our century have made the identical mistake, imagining that the workers of the world or the faithful just can't wait to go home at night to study Marx or the Koran. Well, Joe Sixpack, Ivan Tipichni, and Ali Quat would rather "Baywatch." America has figured it out, and we are brilliant at operationalizing our knowledge, and our cultural power will hinder even those cultures we do not undermine. There is no "peer competitor" in the cultural (or military) department. Our cultural empire has the addicted--men and women everywhere--clamoring for more. And they pay for the privilege of their disillusionment.
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Rock and Roll and blue jeans.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

More choice items:

There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

Our most important technologies will be those that support soldiers and Marines on the ground, that facilitate command decisions, and that enable us to kill accurately and survive amid clutter... The only imaginable use for most of our submarine fleet will be to strip out the weapons, dock them tight, and turn the boats into low-income housing. There will be no justification for billion-dollar bombers at all.

Our military power is culturally based. They cannot rival us without becoming us. Wise competitors will not even attempt to defeat us on our terms; rather, they will seek to shift the playing field away from military confrontations or turn to terrorism and nontraditional forms of assault on our national integrity.

Our computer kids function at a level foreign elites barely manage, and this has as much to do with television commercials, CD-ROMs, and grotesque video games as it does with the classroom.

But American culture is infectious, a plague of pleasure, and you don't have to die of it to be hindered or crippled in your integrity or competitiveness. The very struggle of other cultures to resist American cultural intrusion fatefully diverts their energies from the pursuit of the future. We should not fear the advent of fundamentalist or rejectionist regimes. They are simply guaranteeing their peoples' failure, while further increasing our relative strength.

Saddam swaggered, but the image of the US military crippled the Iraqi army in the field, doing more to soften them up for our ground assault than did tossing bombs into the sand.
If the Trojans "saw" Athena guiding the Greeks in battle, then the Iraqis saw Luke Skywalker precede McCaffrey's tanks.
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[danarhea]

The Carlisle in the addy is about the Carlisle Barracks and is not AFAICT, associated with the Carlyle Group.

My bad. Was I dumber than a box of rocks on that point? You betcha. LOL.

However, the premise of perpetual war with the goal of forcing our values on the rest of the world still holds true. Once again, from the link:

There will be no peace. At any given moment for the rest of our lifetimes, there will be multiple conflicts in mutating forms around the globe. Violent conflict will dominate the headlines, but cultural and economic struggles will be steadier and ultimately more decisive. The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

 

[MSgt]

My bad. Was I dumber than a box of rocks on that point? You betcha. LOL.

However, the premise of perpetual war with the goal of forcing our values on the rest of the world still holds true. Once again, from the link:

Wow. This type of material is obviously way over your head. The only thing that holds true is your obtuseness to create an illusion of NeoCon conspiracies.

Ralph Peters is merely stating the fact that progress cannot be stopped. Our culture is one of progress and therefore other cutlures will have to accept it if they wish to advance as well. It is not so much that we are "forcing" our culture on them. Our culture equals progress. The entire western world and indeed parts of the Asian world has embraced our technological advances and scientific discoveries. We all work together as we face forward. None of this is "forced" in the sense that you are desperately trying to project. He is stating facts and he is painting the picture of reality about a civilization that, instead of facing forward with the rest of the world, they are racing backwards into superstitions.

"The military will do a fair amount of killing" means that we face a civilization that is determined to be at war with our progress and therefore at war with us. The more we celebrate our freedoms and the more we progress, our enemies will become that more desperate to explain away their failures and thus become more violent to act out. There is a lot of conflict and war in our futures and it will be against the Muslim world.

You should stick to more elementary subjects.

 

[Navy Pride]

[Government Plans for Endless War Revealed /QUOTE]

If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......

 

[cnredd]

If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......

Bush didn't start this war...Bush just happens to be the first person to retaliate with substance against those who have declared war on western civilization decades ago...

 

[Navy Pride]

Bush didn't start this war...Bush just happens to be the first person to retaliate with substance against those who have declared war on western civilization decades ago...

Agree, wow, that is scary........

 

[cnredd]

Agree, wow, that is scary........

Nothing scary at all...

I agree with almost everything you say, but disagree heavily with how you say it...

You interpret this as an attack on your position...which couldn't be further from the truth...

 

[MSgt]

If we are talking about the war on terror President Bush has stated that it will go on for years and we may never know when it is over.......

The "War on Terror", which was started by the Radical Islamists a long time ago and we have only lately decided to take part of, will last decades. Our civilizations are clashing and it will only get worse. I guarantee that the civilization that is facing forward will prevail in this war of attrition against the civilization that has chosen the past. They will either face forward in the end or be destroyed. Do not look for answers in recent history, which is still unclear and subject to personal emotion. Begin with the study of the classical world - specifically Rome, which is the nearest model to the present day United States. Mild with subject peoples, to whom they brought the rule of ethical law, the Romans in their rise and at their apogee were implacable with their enemies. The utter destruction of Carthage brought centuries of local peace, while later empire's attempts to appease barbarians consistently failed.

With the nuclear age being a goal for the Radical elements in the Middle East, we may have no choice but to cause utter destructions in the sand for our survival and securities. When the choice is us or them - it is always us.

 

[Navy Pride]

Nothing scary at all...

I agree with almost everything you say, but disagree heavily with how you say it...

You interpret this as an attack on your position...which couldn't be further from the truth...

Now that makes a lot of sense...

I may not be as refined as you maybe..........You see I am just a old broke down country boy who might have spent to much time at sea..... I think I get my point across though to the people that matter to me .........At least that is the message I get in my PMs...........

 

[Goobieman]

The de facto role of the US armed forces will be to keep the world safe for our economy and open to our cultural assault. To those ends, we will do a fair amount of killing.

What, exactly, do you think the military does, if not protect our economy and our way of life?

You act as if this is something new, when in fact it ha sbeen in place for over 200 years.

 

[danarhea]

What, exactly, do you think the military does, if not protect our economy and our way of life?

You act as if this is something new, when in fact it ha sbeen in place for over 200 years.

Actually, the key part of the statement had to do with "our cultural assault" on the rest of the world. You missed that.