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Gov. Pritzker of Illinois Speaks Out To Trump

It was a good speech....full of defiant common sense.

I keep waiting and hoping for the "truth" to finally win the day when it comes to Trump. But it's going to take more than the truth at this point. It's going to take members of the military and the National Guard refusing to take part in this farce any longer.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
It was a good speech....full of defiant common sense.

I keep waiting and hoping for the "truth" to finally win the day when it comes to Trump. But it's going to take more than the truth at this point. It's going to take members of the military and the National Guard refusing to take part in this farce any longer.
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A very good speech! Accurate, defiant, sensible.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
It was a good speech....full of defiant common sense.

I keep waiting and hoping for the "truth" to finally win the day when it comes to Trump. But it's going to take more than the truth at this point. It's going to take members of the military and the National Guard refusing to take part in this farce any longer.
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I don't think the military and National Guard can refuse an order from the traitor without severe consequences. I don't think the full burden should be on them.
 
Great speech. He hit all the salient points. He's a strong governor. I guess it takes a real billionaire to take down a fake one.
 
I know this'll get down-voted, but I sometimes wonder if some Jedi mind tricks or reverse psychology might actually work better. Trump loves the whole gladiatorial combat thing.

OTOH, the Dems need to be stiffer. Newsom and Pritz are using this moment to establish their bona fides and their street cred.
 
Chomsky said:
Wow - now that I got to see the end, it indeed was a very good speech! (y)
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Completely agree. We need more Americans/Politicians like him sending serious messages/warnings with a microphone which make the headlines. Those who are concerned about our country and people are not speaking out loudly enough and often enough. These are not normal times, everyone needs to be aware of what is happening here.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Completely agree. We need more Americans/Politicians like him sending serious messages/warnings with a microphone which make the headlines. Those who are concerned about our country and people are not speaking out loudly enough and often enough. These are not normal times, everyone needs to be aware of what is happening here.
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Pritzker threaded the needle beautifully, I think.

He appealed to the incoming National Guard and the Governors sending them, laid-out his argument, and also made it clear there will be retribution for those taking place in this.

I think he did a decent job of trying to unite us in the various states & cities, from the oppression of Trump and his federal powers.

He called for Chicagoans to unite in actively protesting the oppression (which Chicagoans are wont to do!
 
I do hope that the Democrats do nominate Pritzker......just for the great jokes
 
Chomsky said:
Pritzker threaded the needle beautifully, I think.

He appealed to the incoming National Guard and the Governors sending them, laid-out his argument, and also made it clear there will be retribution for those taking place in this.

I think he did a decent job of trying to unite us in the various states & cities, from the oppression of Trump and his federal powers.

He called for Chicagoans to unite in actively protesting the oppression (which Chicagoans are wont to do!
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MAGAs sitting at home in Southern Illinois or in rural Iowa, Missouri, or Indiana would love nothing more than for Trump to set that city on fire like Mrs. O'Leary's cow. We have probably 40% of the country that wants to stick their boots on the necks of those who live in diverse, sophisticated cosmopolitan areas.
 
multivita-man said:
MAGAs sitting at home in Southern Illinois or in rural Iowa, Missouri, or Indiana would love nothing more than for Trump to set that city on fire like Mrs. O'Leary's cow. We have probably 40% of the country that wants to stick their boots on the necks of those who live in diverse, sophisticated cosmopolitan areas.
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Probably a fair point. Southern Illinois is more Kentucky than Illinois! Check-out the accents.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
Much respect for the Governor of Illinois. 🇺🇸

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Yup. Been saying he should run in 2028
Geoist

Thread 'JB Pritzker As 2028 Dem Nominee Just Makes Sense'

Right now, there is a divide between progressives/leftists and liberals/centrists. Pritzker is someone who is well-liked on both sides. He is progressive and politically savvy. He also has that dog in him to take on any MAGA-crazed GOP candidate.

I just haven't seen any other candidate that checks the boxes the way Pritzker does.
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Old 'N Chill said:
Much respect for the Governor of Illinois. 🇺🇸

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He may not have physical charisma, but he delivers a good speech and personifies a reasonable, sensible, and plain-spoken American image of a Mayor. He is building the foundation for a "people's" mayor, a guy who might have a bullhorn urging citizens to man the barricade behind City busses blocking the NG, with police water cannons dishing out non-lethal resistance to Trump's weekend storm troopers.

Make the brutes use violent force to enter Chicago - it time for resistance.
 
Do people want America to be like Illinois?
 
Buster Keaton said:
Do people want America to be like Illinois?
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Most of Illinois outside Chicago is like Iowa, like Kentucky, like Indiana, like Missouri. Are you shitting on those states, too, or just the one that has a lot of diversity in the 3rd/4th largest metropolis in the nation?

And Chicago's a great American town that really had a lot to do with America's surge in the late 19th and early 20th Century in becoming the world's leading industrial power.
 
RIP U.S. Democracy said:
It was a good speech....full of defiant common sense.

I keep waiting and hoping for the "truth" to finally win the day when it comes to Trump. But it's going to take more than the truth at this point. It's going to take members of the military and the National Guard refusing to take part in this farce any longer.
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I fully agree with your sentiment, but your suggested cure isn’t the correct one.

It isn’t the responsibility of our military to challenge/stop Traitor Trump’s invasion of states and violation of their state government’s constitutional rights.

The issues must be handled through the judicial process.
 
RaleBulgarian said:
I fully agree with your sentiment, but your suggested cure isn’t the correct one.

It isn’t the responsibility of our military to challenge/stop Traitor Trump’s invasion of states and violation of their state government’s constitutional rights.

The issues must be handled through the judicial process.
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So far the judicial process has been shown to be slow, appeasing, and at the higher levels open to authoritarianism as a "natural right" of King Trump. By the time they act, Trump has gotten in too deep to follow orders - and the courts facilitate it when they stay injunctions.

For example, Trump has become a one-man tax dictator, taxing Americans at whatever rate he likes and uses to punish his least favorites while soliciting concessions from the weak. NONE of these powers exist for the executive in the Constitution - but no matter. Even when a trial court strikes down his madness, the appeals court stays the injunction for many more months till "it" decides if the lower court was correct.

The net effect is to let Trump get in so deep with "deals" and dependency on revenue that it may be too late - and hence the courts will cower and accommodate the oppressive rule.

Sorry, I don't buy any of the tepid "go to court" strategy as the only way to fight back. Many in my generation filled the streets, built barricades, staged sit-ins refusing to move, and much more. And in doing so it ended the draft, and eventually a war.

Courts did next to nothing to bring this about, nor does it appear they will now.
 
maxparrish said:
So far the judicial process has been shown to be slow, appeasing, and at the higher levels open to authoritarianism as a "natural right" of King Trump. By the time they act, Trump has gotten in too deep to follow orders - and the courts facilitate it when they stay injunctions.

For example, Trump has become a one-man tax dictator, taxing Americans at whatever rate he likes and uses to punish his least favorites while soliciting concessions from the weak. NONE of these powers exist for the executive in the Constitution - but no matter. Even when a trial court strikes down his madness, the appeals court stays the injunction for many more months till "it" decides if the lower court was correct.

The net effect is to let Trump get in so deep with "deals" and dependency on revenue that it may be too late - and hence the courts will cower and accommodate the oppressive rule.

Sorry, I don't buy any of the tepid "go to court" strategy as the only way to fight back. Many in my generation filled the streets, built barricades, staged sit-ins refusing to move, and much more. And in doing so it ended the draft, and eventually a war.

Courts did next to nothing to bring this about, nor does it appear they will now.
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Sorry, I don't buy any of the tepid "go to court" strategy as the only way to fight back. Many in my generation filled the streets, built barricades, staged sit-ins refusing to move, and much more. And in doing so it ended the draft, and eventually a war.
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right on brother..right on
 
maxparrish said:
So far the judicial process has been shown to be slow, appeasing, and at the higher levels open to authoritarianism as a "natural right" of King Trump. By the time they act, Trump has gotten in too deep to follow orders - and the courts facilitate it when they stay injunctions.

For example, Trump has become a one-man tax dictator, taxing Americans at whatever rate he likes and uses to punish his least favorites while soliciting concessions from the weak. NONE of these powers exist for the executive in the Constitution - but no matter. Even when a trial court strikes down his madness, the appeals court stays the injunction for many more months till "it" decides if the lower court was correct.

The net effect is to let Trump get in so deep with "deals" and dependency on revenue that it may be too late - and hence the courts will cower and accommodate the oppressive rule.

Sorry, I don't buy any of the tepid "go to court" strategy as the only way to fight back. Many in my generation filled the streets, built barricades, staged sit-ins refusing to move, and much more. And in doing so it ended the draft, and eventually a war.

Courts did next to nothing to bring this about, nor does it appear they will now.
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No argument that courts move slow, and Traitor Trump has won some cases that should’ve been easily lost, but that doesn’t change the fact that the judicial path is the correct one.

Much respect for all the young people that, even without the instant worldwide information sharing/coordinating abilities the internet now provides, joined en masse in many unrelenting, enormous, and mostly peaceful protests against the Vietnam War (and draft).

That kind of resistance could be used now.

Hoping for, or expecting our military members to defy lawful orders, even though many would undoubtedly want to, is the wrong route, IMO.
 
Old 'N Chill said:
I don't think the military and National Guard can refuse an order from the traitor without severe consequences. I don't think the full burden should be on them.
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I think if the military leadership bucks Trump, it will make a huge difference. Some will have to be willing to get punished. But they could be rewarded in the end.

All I know is the status quo cannot continue. This country won't survive. Military and corporate leadership hold all the cards.
 
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