GOP sets up vote on Parents Bill of Rights to stop public school ‘insanity’

[Davin]

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught. As we've seen more than we should, there are some really ****ed up teachers out there who are pushing their ****ed up views on the kids - some even brag about it.

If you want that level of detail known go ****ing homeschool your kids then. Conservatives whine and cry about public school but are too lazy to homeschool their kids.

 

[tshade]

The parents would have to get off their lazy asses and actually be involved in the schools...

Exactly------

 

[tshade]

The districts that have more parent involvement are usually much better than ones without !

??? What do you mean by "involved" ??

 

[tshade]

 

[Hari Seldon]

You are both entirely wrong.

The question(s) must be broken down into what it is that parents should and should not have influence over. If a set of parents want to stop a school from teaching that slavery is bad, those parents are in the wrong. If a set of parents want to stop a high school from letting a senior volunteer to pose topless for the senior art class, that's different. You can argue about that validly: should teenaged boys in art class look at willing tits. (Answer: yes, but give them bathroom breaks).

More seriously... it would be dishonest to consider this "debate" about education on its own stated terms. Its terms are not what is driving it. What is driving it are things like:

(1) aversion to the existence of gay people,​

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(2) disbelief that gender dysphoria exists,​

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(3) prejudice against those suffering from gender dysphoria,​

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(4) aversion to the idea that on average white people have an advantage (most often expressed by the poorest white people who are already ****ed, like all poor Americans are ****ed),​

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(5) anything that could possibly be read as a suggestion that the existence of systems that were built over centuries of racism could favor the racist group persist after everyone says out loud that racism is bad (nevermind actions).​

That's where the 'fights' are happening. Anything that says a maligned vulnerable group is just like the rest of us; should be respected. That gets the shit.

But it gets cloaked, see. That's what America learned. It didn't learn that racism is bad. It just learned you shouldn't say the n-word. It just learned you need to use other words and other phrases. It learned that it could fool itself into thinking it isn't embracing 'isms' by not using slurs.




It's a sliding scale. The measures change with time. The measurers change with time. We arc towards more equal treatment. But there are 2.9999 steps back for every 3 forward. This isn't a fight about parents' right to control education. It's a fight about social norms enforced by government.






But hey. Maybe I'm just leftist [censored]

I agree. There is already a shortage of teachers, especially in Floriduh. My daughter taught for a charter school for a semester. Couldn't wait to leave. A lot tougher than most give them credit for. Pretty soon teaching about Emmitt Till will be considered "CRT" and whitewashed the way the Christian nationalists want.

 

[Helix]

No tax dollars should go to charter schools.

 

[BlueTex]

That's a lie !
For Proof that you either a liar or just not smart, go look at the US Public School system !
The districts that have more parent involvement are usually much better than ones without !

The DEM's Pro-Teacher Unions schools have the lowest scores from Students!

Kids now a days are so screwed up it's scary ! The don't learn the basics because they are too busy learning
Pronouns and pretending to be other genders and made up genders !

To be so ignorant to think that Parents don't have the their kids best interest in mind that anyone who make such a statement, I
would assume that person has nefarious motiv

LMAO... You think a bunch of parents bitching about books in the school library is parental involvement? The schools with high parental involvement are very often the affluent school districts, like mine, where the parents are concerned about the GRADES their kids are getting, not some Fox News conspiracy bullshit...

 

[j brown's body]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

Something tells me allowing parents to determine the medical options for their children will not be among the rights.

 

[JRTurner]

Vacancies have doubled in the Sunshine State over the last two years, and it’s estimated more than 100,000 students do not have a full-time teacher.

Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association, joined anchor Justin Warmoth on “The Weekly” to explain why the shortage is getting worse and how it can improve.

“Our community is at stake, our future is at stake, our children are at stake,” Spar said. “I think the legislature understands, and I hope the governor does too, that we’ve go to dramatically increase the pay of all teachers in our schools. We’ve got to restore respect to the profession throughout the state of Florida. And we’ve got to make sure that we’re protecting that sacred bond between parents and teachers, between families and schools, because that’s ultimately what’s at the crux of a good education for every child.”

There were nearly 5,300 teacher openings statewide listed in January, up from just around 1,500 five years ago.

Gov. Ron DeSantis pushed lawmakers to boost starting teacher salaries to $47,500, which ranks 16th in the country. Overall though, Florida’s average teacher pay is ranked 49th.

“Florida, I think, is one of the worst in the nation,” Spar said. “There are some studies out there that show we have the second most number of vacancies in the nation right now.”

‘Our children are at stake:’ Teacher shortage in Florida among worst in the nation

Florida's public schools continue to deal with a shortage of teachers.

www.clickorlando.com

 

[Josie]

Teacher shortages are horrible in several states and have been that way for a long time now. And the top 10 aren't mostly red or even half red:

10 States With Massive Teacher Shortages (February 2023)

Learn about the top ten states with massive teacher shortages reaching crisis levels including everything from certification requirements and median pay.

www.universities.com

 

[Fiddytree]

Teacher shortages are horrible in several states and have been that way for a long time now. And the top 10 aren't mostly red or even half red:

10 States With Massive Teacher Shortages (February 2023)

Learn about the top ten states with massive teacher shortages reaching crisis levels including everything from certification requirements and median pay.

www.universities.com

Our state is trying to alleviate the shortages by reducing the certification pipeline and/or providing financial incentives for support staff to evolve into that role. Sometimes we have issues with what legislators or the education field may want to do to reduce educational requirements (essentially with staff tasked by federal law to provide specialized services and supports to students with disabilities), but it's a challenge worth tackling.

How well that's going to go, I cannot say. I'm somewhat skeptical, given we have tens of thousands of jobs unfilled across the economy and a very low unemployment rate.

 

[Fiddytree]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

To an extent, yes. Asking staff to provide copies of materials they will be using on a given lesson is quite a bit burdensome, given that faculty are working on those materials the night before and during the school day at which the lesson will be given. But would it be a good idea to have publicly accessible copies of school textbooks and such? Sure, though that will cost a bit of dough.

The bill says schools must ensure parents have access to information about violent activity taking place at school

I don't think parents should have access to that information. Ideally, you can remove identifiable information, perhaps needing to omit singular school buildings if there is concern about that, but release that information to the public at large (agency websites can hold those reports, state legislatures could receive those reports from the agency and have presentation on mainline findings, etc.) through publicly released reports on an annual basis or more frequently. Including specific types of "violent activity" can also be beneficial to the public, because you may end up finding out there are a lot of kids who are not getting the help that they need in order to be successful in school without outbursts. You just want to make sure you're not necessarily trying to frame the data collection and reporting on the basis of reporting on "bad kids," but rather whether there are adequate resources and supports for students and faculty alike.

To let folks know, this is where conservatives have a lot of work to do, because their "local control" and "state's rights" rhetoric collides with their preference to have a check on teachers unions, and so on. The education field, including your local school boards, administrator associations, and teachers unions holds tightly onto "local control" and "lowest level" decision-making and it prevents reforms from occurring.

 

[reflechissez]

Teacher shortages are horrible in several states and have been that way for a long time now. And the top 10 aren't mostly red or even half red:

10 States With Massive Teacher Shortages (February 2023)

Learn about the top ten states with massive teacher shortages reaching crisis levels including everything from certification requirements and median pay.

www.universities.com

Where in that article does it say the methodology used?

 

[poppopfox]

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Thanks for the chuckle, it was a good one!

 

[Roadvirus]

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

So you think it would be better if the government decides what is good for kids?

Piffle! The gov't can't even take care of itself. How are parents suppose to trust them with their kids?

 

[Roadvirus]

I don't see anything about micro managing. This bill is mostly about proving information.

School bureaucrats and the Teacher unions want parents left in the dark. As long as Mom and Dad don't know that their kid is being subjected to a government-run Towering Inferno, those gov't incompetent twits are secured in their cushy jobs.

 

[Mycroft]

School bureaucrats and the Teacher unions want parents left in the dark. As long as Mom and Dad don't know that their kid is being subjected to a government-run Towering Inferno, those gov't incompetent twits are secured in their cushy jobs.

This bill will make it hard for them to keep parents in the dark.

 

[noonereal]

So you think it would be better if the government decides what is good for kids?

The parents decide with their vote. Then it is left to the elected. That is how the country works.
Parents are simply not qualified to micro manage education. Professional educators within the guidelines then micro manage the education to achieve the goal.

 

[Fiddytree]

School bureaucrats and the Teacher unions want parents left in the dark. As long as Mom and Dad don't know that their kid is being subjected to a government-run Towering Inferno, those gov't incompetent twits are secured in their cushy jobs.

“Towering inferno”? “Cushy jobs”?

Sometimes things can be pretty bad, dangerous even. But for most students, most of the time, that’s not what life is like in schools.

And cushy jobs is how I may describe administrators, maybe some faculty members and specialist staff, but by and large, educators and special educators do not have cushy jobs. They range from having poor compensation to moderately good compensation. They tend to cycle out in under 5 years, and depending on the position state and/or and district, could flame out within a year.