GOP sets up vote on Parents Bill of Rights to stop public school ‘insanity’

[Roadvirus]

Under the bill, school districts would be required to post curriculum information publicly, give parents notice if there are plans to eliminate gifted and talented programs for kids, and give parents a list of all books available to students at the school.

The bill says schools must ensure parents have access to information about violent activity taking place at school, and budget information, including how the money comes in and how it is spent. It specifically ensures parents have a right to speak at school board meetings and says it is the sense of Congress that school districts "should welcome and encourage that engagement and consider that feedback when making decisions."

The bill also includes language aimed at preventing schools from sharing student data with tech companies without getting permission from parents, or selling that data.

GOP sets up vote on Parents Bill of Rights to stop public school ‘insanity’

House Republicans next week will pass a bill outlining a 'Parents Bill of Rights,' a response to growing criticism about questionable school policies across the country.

www.foxnews.com

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

 

[noonereal]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

 

[Mycroft]

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

I don't see anything about micro managing. This bill is mostly about proving information.

 

[RedAkston]

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught. As we've seen more than we should, there are some really ****ed up teachers out there who are pushing their ****ed up views on the kids - some even brag about it.

 

[BlueTex]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

Is the GQP suddenly in love with the department of education again? What would you say the odds are that this bill passes the senate or is signed by Biden? Think this language will survive?

401.
Requirement related to gender markers, pronouns, and preferred names on school forms

As a condition of receiving Federal funds, any elementary school (as such term is defined in section 8101 of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (20 U.S.C. 7801)) or school that consists of only middle grades (as such term is defined in such section), that receives Federal funds shall be required to obtain parental consent before—

(1)
changing a minor child's gender markers, pronouns, or preferred name on any school form; or

(2)
allowing a child to change the child's sex-based accommodations, including locker rooms or bathrooms.

 

[Josie]

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught.

Yes. Speaking from personal experience, life is better for teachers (and the students) if parents show an active interest in their child's education.

 

[lemmiwinx]

GOP could have a valid point. If your kid's school has a dedicated sex change staff counselor you might want to look into it.

 

[noonereal]

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught. As we've seen more than we should, there are some really ****ed up teachers out there who are pushing their ****ed up views on the kids - some even brag about it.

Yeah, I expect ignorant posts like this.
I really did.
As in any business, leave it to the professionals.
Parents sway with the wind, have no understanding of how each step in the system fits together nor the principles and studies that set the system.

It would be like youth sports. Each new set of parents would be reinventing the wheel, totally unaware of how things fit.

Christ, Tucker would be tell 1/3 the country what to do.
Can you imagine that? Seriously. A liar who only cares about the bottom line leading the agenda. We'd be teaching religion and banning science.

Not me. I respect education.

 

[Mr Person]

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught. As we've seen more than we should, there are some really ****ed up teachers out there who are pushing their ****ed up views on the kids - some even brag about it.

You are both entirely wrong.

The question(s) must be broken down into what it is that parents should and should not have influence over. If a set of parents want to stop a school from teaching that slavery is bad, those parents are in the wrong. If a set of parents want to stop a high school from letting a senior volunteer to pose topless for the senior art class, that's different. You can argue about that validly: should teenaged boys in art class look at willing tits. (Answer: yes, but give them bathroom breaks).

More seriously... it would be dishonest to consider this "debate" about education on its own stated terms. Its terms are not what is driving it. What is driving it are things like:

(1) aversion to the existence of gay people,​

​

(2) disbelief that gender dysphoria exists,​

​

(3) prejudice against those suffering from gender dysphoria,​

​

(4) aversion to the idea that on average white people have an advantage (most often expressed by the poorest white people who are already ****ed, like all poor Americans are ****ed),​

​

(5) anything that could possibly be read as a suggestion that the existence of systems that were built over centuries of racism could favor the racist group persist after everyone says out loud that racism is bad (nevermind actions).​

That's where the 'fights' are happening. Anything that says a maligned vulnerable group is just like the rest of us; should be respected. That gets the shit.

But it gets cloaked, see. That's what America learned. It didn't learn that racism is bad. It just learned you shouldn't say the n-word. It just learned you need to use other words and other phrases. It learned that it could fool itself into thinking it isn't embracing 'isms' by not using slurs.




It's a sliding scale. The measures change with time. The measurers change with time. We arc towards more equal treatment. But there are 2.9999 steps back for every 3 forward. This isn't a fight about parents' right to control education. It's a fight about social norms enforced by government.






But hey. Maybe I'm just leftist [censored]

 

[Bok Tuklo]

I believe the Conservative Movement has culminated.

 

[noonereal]

You are both entirely wrong.

The question(s) must be broken down into what it is that parents should and should not have influence over. If a set of parents want to stop a school from teaching that slavery is bad, those parents are in the wrong. If a set of parents want to stop a high school from letting a senior volunteer to pose topless for the senior art class, that's different. You can argue about that validly: should teenaged boys in art class look at willing tits. (Answer: yes, but give them bathroom breaks).

More seriously... it would be dishonest to consider this "debate" about education on its own stated terms. Its terms are not what is driving it. What is driving it are things like:

(1) aversion to the existence of gay people,​

​

(2) disbelief that gender dysphoria exists,​

​

(3) prejudice against those suffering from gender dysphoria,​

​

(4) aversion to the idea that on average white people have an advantage (most often expressed by the poorest white people who are already ****ed, like all poor Americans are ****ed),​

​

(5) anything that could possibly be read as a suggestion that the existence of systems that were built over centuries of racism could favor the racist group persist after everyone says out loud that racism is bad (nevermind actions).​

That's where the 'fights' are happening. Anything that says a maligned vulnerable group is just like the rest of us; should be respected. That gets the shit.

But it gets cloaked, see. That's what America learned. It didn't learn that racism is bad. It just learned you shouldn't say the n-word. It just learned you need to use other words and other phrases. It learned that it could fool itself into thinking it isn't embracing 'isms' by not using slurs.




It's a sliding scale. The measures change with time. The measurers change with time. We arc towards more equal treatment. But there are 2.9999 steps back for every 3 forward. This isn't a fight about parents' right to control education. It's a fight about social norms enforced by government.






But hey. Maybe I'm just leftist [censored]

I pretty much agree with you but its kind of ironic that you have pretty much decided what is appropriate and what isnt.

 

[noonereal]

I believe the Conservative Movement has culminated.

It's not conservative. Its crazy.

 

[BirdinHand]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

So basically all the things that schools already do now has to be spoon fed to parents at an expense to the schools (either in the form of making physical copies of materials and/or having employees at the school being paid for additional hours of time so that parents can comb through all the books on a library shelf to inspect them)

So much for fiscal responsibility. Thanks GOP Congress for making things more expensive for schools across the nation?


Back in reality, public schools can’t get parents to READ TO THEIR KIDS and be involved in partnering with the schools so that kids can achieve.


But yes - let’s make sure schools have to bear the financial burden for zealots on their witch hunts

 

[BirdinHand]

I'm not sure if I've read a more ignorant statement in many, many years.

Things have gotten ****ed up because parents weren't getting involved enough in what their kids were being taught in schools. It's good to see parents getting more involved in what their kids are being taught. As we've seen more than we should, there are some really ****ed up teachers out there who are pushing their ****ed up views on the kids - some even brag about it.

I’d argue there is zero evidence that most parents are any more involved in their child’s education than they were previously.

There are people hyper focused on specific books on shelves or on whether Ms Sally Smith tells her students she is gay. Or checking under desks for the CRT boogie man.

But I’d argue that past screeching about these topics, the same parents are (in general) no more involved in the day to day education of their children than they were a few years ago.


At least, that’s how it has played out around me. You have a handful of zealots that are at all the school board meetings (they travel from one district to another - supporting each other). They bring up the same exact controversy at every school (the flavor of February was the book Bluest Eyes)

But if you ask any of them what their kid is doing in math (for example) that week/month - I would bet money most cannot tell you. If you ask what the name of their child’s art teacher or music teacher is, they couldn’t tell you.



It’s not *really* educational involvement. It’s performative. Much like this bill.

 

[JRTurner]

This is all just silly.

Most schools already post their curriculums online.
Most school libraries have their contents online now as well.
Most teachers are wonderful and not indoctrinating their students to become trans or racists.

There are already laws against child abuse of all kinds. The teachers the right seems to be afraid of can all just be arrested for their illegal behavior. Leave the great teachers alone. You don't need to harass the occupation--we already have a horrible teacher shortage because it doesn't pay enough to deal with crap like this.

 

[JRTurner]

I’d argue there is zero evidence that most parents are any more involved in their child’s education than they were previously.

There are people hyper focused on specific books on shelves or on whether Ms Sally Smith tells her students she is gay. Or checking under desks for the CRT boogie man.

But I’d argue that past screeching about these topics, the same parents are (in general) no more involved in the day to day education of their children than they were a few years ago.


At least, that’s how it has played out around me. You have a handful of zealots that are at all the school board meetings (they travel from one district to another - supporting each other). They bring up the same exact controversy at every school (the flavor of February was the book Bluest Eyes)

But if you ask any of them what their kid is doing in math (for example) that week/month - I would bet money most cannot tell you. If you ask what the name of their child’s art teacher or music teacher is, they couldn’t tell you.



It’s not *really* educational involvement. It’s performative. Much like this bill.

I know a very MAGA woman. Her children are in their 50s. She went to a recent school board meeting armed with MAGA concerns about what's going on in schools--all of it BS. She came back and described how they were all very unhappy to listen to her, but she was proud of her actions. Then there was the guy who complained about a book his kid never checked out of the library--because the kid was either fictional or didn't attend the school where they guy was speaking. (I can't recall if the kid was in a different school district or didn't exist at all.) Anyway--a lot of this hoopla is just political partisans trying to be all powerful and throw their weight around. It's obnoxious.

 

[tshade]

And for those who despise Fox News, here's the bill's details from a more palatable source

Parents Bill of Rights Act (2023 - H.R. 5)

To ensure the rights of parents are honored and protected in the Nation's public schools.

www.govtrack.us

Parents should at least be allowed to know what's going on in schools, seeing as their tax dollars are involved.

?????? How are they NOT allowed now??
This bill is another GOP "solution looking for a problem"

Come on----give me ONE thing being kept from parents in our public schools...............waiting....?

 

[BlueTex]

GOP could have a valid point. If your kid's school has a dedicated sex change staff counselor you might want to look into it.

So the GQP NOW is in favor of the feds mandating to local schools? . If the parents of the district support having a dedicated sex change staff counselor why is it any of YOUR business?

 

[BirdinHand]

I know a very MAGA woman. Her children are in their 50s. She went to a recent school board meeting armed with MAGA concerns about what's going on in schools--all of it BS. She came back and described how they were all very unhappy to listen to her, but she was proud of her actions. Then there was the guy who complained about a book his kid never checked out of the library--because the kid was either fictional or didn't attend the school where they guy was speaking. (I can't recall if the kid was in a different school district or didn't exist at all.) Anyway--a lot of this hoopla is just political partisans trying to be all powerful and throw their weight around. It's obnoxious.

I forget if it was January or December - the faux rage of the month was locker rooms/sports and trans individuals.


The merry band of involved parental warriors was on their tour de board of education meetings. (It’s NJ - we have a new school district every couple of miles in my area)

They went to the local board meeting screeching away. They were in a tear to save the children! Grooming! Locker rooms! Innocent children - you know the song and dance

It is a preK - 6 district.
There are no sport teams.
There are no locker rooms.
Kids don’t get changed for gym class.

The group of them, one after another - ranted on for their allotted X minutes each, broadcasting themselves on social media. Proud as peacocks.


About a topic that had absolutely ZERO relevance to the school district. None.


Classic.

 

[BlueTex]

?????? How are they NOT allowed now??
This bill is another GOP "solution looking for a problem"

Come on----give me ONE thing being kept from parents in our public schools...............waiting....?

The parents would have to get off their lazy asses and actually be involved in the schools...

 

[NoMoreDems-Reps]

The more you allow parents to micro manage their kids education the more ****ed up things would get.

That's a lie !
For Proof that you either a liar or just not smart, go look at the US Public School system !
The districts that have more parent involvement are usually much better than ones without !

The DEM's Pro-Teacher Unions schools have the lowest scores from Students!

Kids now a days are so screwed up it's scary ! The don't learn the basics because they are too busy learning
Pronouns and pretending to be other genders and made up genders !

To be so ignorant to think that Parents don't have the their kids best interest in mind that anyone who make such a statement, I
would assume that person has nefarious motiv

 

[JRTurner]

I forget if it was January or December - the faux rage of the month was locker rooms/sports and trans individuals.


The merry band of involved parental warriors was on their tour de board of education meetings. (It’s NJ - we have a new school district every couple of miles in my area)

They went to the local board meeting screeching away. They were in a tear to save the children! Grooming! Locker rooms! Innocent children - you know the song and dance

It is a preK - 6 district.
There are no sport teams.
There are no locker rooms.
Kids don’t get changed for gym class.

The group of them, one after another - ranted on for their allotted X minutes each, broadcasting themselves on social media. Proud as peacocks.


About a topic that had absolutely ZERO relevance to the school district. None.


Classic.

Egg-Zactly!

 

[noonereal]

That's a lie !
For Proof that you either a liar or just not smart, go look at the US Public School system !
The districts that have more parent involvement are usually much better than ones without !

The DEM's Pro-Teacher Unions schools have the lowest scores from Students!

Kids now a days are so screwed up it's scary ! The don't learn the basics because they are too busy learning
Pronouns and pretending to be other genders and made up genders !

To be so ignorant to think that Parents don't have the their kids best interest in mind that anyone who make such a statement, I
would assume that person has nefarious motiv

Wild reply.
Clearly you did not understand my post AND read into it.

Peace

 

[ElChupacabra]

I’d argue there is zero evidence that most parents are any more involved in their child’s education than they were previously.

There are people hyper focused on specific books on shelves or on whether Ms Sally Smith tells her students she is gay. Or checking under desks for the CRT boogie man.

But I’d argue that past screeching about these topics, the same parents are (in general) no more involved in the day to day education of their children than they were a few years ago.


At least, that’s how it has played out around me. You have a handful of zealots that are at all the school board meetings (they travel from one district to another - supporting each other). They bring up the same exact controversy at every school (the flavor of February was the book Bluest Eyes)

But if you ask any of them what their kid is doing in math (for example) that week/month - I would bet money most cannot tell you. If you ask what the name of their child’s art teacher or music teacher is, they couldn’t tell you.



It’s not *really* educational involvement. It’s performative. Much like this bill.

I suspect you're right, because where the involvement matters is in helping with homework and meeting with teachers to help guide your child through the year. If it's just bleating on about generalized threats, it does nothing in actually helping your child.

 

[BirdinHand]

That's a lie !
For Proof that you either a liar or just not smart, go look at the US Public School system !
The districts that have more parent involvement are usually much better than ones without !

The DEM's Pro-Teacher Unions schools have the lowest scores from Students!

Kids now a days are so screwed up it's scary ! The don't learn the basics because they are too busy learning
Pronouns and pretending to be other genders and made up genders !

To be so ignorant to think that Parents don't have the their kids best interest in mind that anyone who make such a statement, I
would assume that person has nefarious motiv

Step 1:

Know your kid’s teachers.


That’s a lot to ask of many parents.

Easier to get angry, screech about something they heard in the internet and *maybe* take an hour a month to complain at a school board meeting.


Daily monitoring of their child’s academics, talking to their teacher regularly, being involved day to day with the school, taking the time to get to know school staff and inquiring with knowledgeable school staff about any questions? See, THAT takes actual effort. Way too much effort.