aberrant85
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But privately, some House Republican officials are saying that they do not expect any major legislation to move through the House this year, or perhaps not even until 2015, in advance of the next presidential election.
There is intense division within the party over the proposals. In fact, a core group of hard-line conservatives said in interviews this week that they would not be intimidated by pressure from corporate America or other outside parties, even though in this case that includes farmers, evangelical leaders and some prominent conservatives.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/u...-act-on-immigration.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?
The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
In fact, a core group of hard-line conservatives said in interviews this week that they would not be intimidated by pressure from corporate America or other outside parties, even though in this case that includes farmers, evangelical leaders and some prominent conservatives.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/u...-act-on-immigration.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?
The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
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I support liberal immigration policies, but the democrats are not going to do any better than the GOP on this issue.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/u...-act-on-immigration.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?
The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
Democrats are facing a brick wall of a dead end on Obamacare and fiscal issues. And Republicans are threatened with the persistent distrust on the part of not-so-minor-anymore minorities.
Well, time is ripe to change the tone of conversation and focus on the immigration reform. Barack Obama is not going to be remembered (kindly) as the "author" of the ACA or the record national debt. But he still has an excellent chance of being remembered as the man who reminded America of its core values - if (and it is a big "if", judging from his record so far) he shows some real leadership on the issue.
My opinion? He's dead in the water on this issue unless Democrats win big in 2014. He's used up his political cache.
Why does immigration need reform?
Because the current laws don't work. They aren't keeping the people we don't want out, and kicking the people we do want (STEM workers and foreigners who graduate from our colleges) out.
I'd be all for that kind of reform. But this isn't about immigration in general -- this is all about our southern border. I hope whatever makes its way through the legislature solves that problem which, in my little mind, is the biggest problem we have re immigration.
Though mexican immigrants get the lion share of the attention, the laws being proposed address immigration from all sources.
I suppose the work visa and student visa holes need plugging, don't they? Yeah, you're right.
Why does immigration need reform?
The Democratic Senate has already passed a bipartisan bill that is reasonable if not perfect. But the tea party occupation forces in the House won't let it reach the floor, because they know it will also pass with bipartisan support.
Latino voters will remember this, just like they remembered all the anti-immigrant scapegoating by the GOP last election. It's wonderful how the tea party, like a Golem, is strangling its creator to death.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/u...-act-on-immigration.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?
The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
Both parties do things like this, it doesn't make it right but it happens. But I am with you, if they are going to do something about it, do it now, don't wait until just before an election. Myself, I would have to see what the bill consists of before either supporting it or not. Blanket amnesty didn't work during the Reagan era, it probably created a bigger problem. But we shall see.
My problem with this is the unfairness to those who have applied for, and are following the law regarding citizenship, and what they must be thinking about how illegals are being given preference, simply because it's become a political decision. It must seem that we reward lawbreakers, which doesn't say a lot about this country to outsiders looking at what's going on in America! :thumbdown:
Because the current laws don't work. They aren't keeping the people we don't want out, and kicking the people we do want (STEM workers and foreigners who graduate from our colleges) out.
Obama and the Dems had a two year anything goes run. They didn't find it important then when they could have got it passed on their own. Instead they focused on destroying the job market and heath care in America.
Maybe some of the Latinos will remember that as well.
It was once said that what makes America different is we are a nation of laws. Not any more.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/26/u...-act-on-immigration.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp
My issue with this political debate is not that some Republicans are dead set against reforming immigration. My problem is the argument from the side that does want to, for political reasons, but also for political reasons do not want to do it until 2015 right before the presidential campaign. What would an immigrant family who has been waiting years to have their status recognized think if they found out it could have been done 2 years earlier but was delayed so that the Republicans could have a better image right before an election?
The transparency of the political calculation on this issue has been sickening to me. On one hand, it's good to support a good cause, no matter what your reason is. On the other hand, you should do what is right because its right, and if you get rewarded then that's a plus, but doing something right just for the reward without caring about what it was you did is kind of upsetting.
It starts at the top, and goes downhill, reaching all levels of society, including many of our courts. Look at the problems many States are facing because of it. When they try to follow the laws that are on the books, they are sued by the very officials who are charged with upholding the law! You want to discuss craziness?
Though mexican immigrants get the lion share of the attention, the laws being proposed address immigration from all sources.
I suppose the work visa and student visa holes need plugging, don't they? Yeah, you're right.
My problem with this is the unfairness to those who have applied for, and are following the law regarding citizenship, and what they must be thinking about how illegals are being given preference, simply because it's become a political decision. It must seem that we reward lawbreakers, which doesn't say a lot about this country to outsiders looking at what's going on in America! :thumbdown:
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