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A legal argument lurking in two Supreme Court cases could give Republican legislators in battleground states sweeping control over election procedures, with ramifications that could include power over how states select presidential electors.
Republicans from Pennsylvania and North Carolina challenged court-ordered redistricting plans in their states based on the “independent legislature” theory. It’s a reading of the Constitution, stemming from the 2000 election recount in Florida, that argues legislators have ultimate power over elections in their states and that state courts have a limited ability — or even none at all — to check it.
Now, Republican lawyers — and conservative Supreme Court justices — are increasingly adopting the theory, which holds that state courts don’t have significant power to review election law because of the wording of those clauses.
Four conservative justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh — signaled at least some favorability to the independent legislature theory on Monday.
Here's the best solution: Let the Republicans make these changes...then elect Democrats. Then the Democrats can take advantage of what the Republicans did.GOP pushes for an ‘earthquake in American electoral power’
Conservatives are promoting the "independent legislature" theory, which would hand vast election powers to GOP legislators in battleground states.www.politico.com
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In essence, the Republican legislatures involved are arguing the courts have no say in reviewing the legislatures' decisions involving elections, and that the legislatures themselves are the final arbitrators of elections, including - at the extreme - the ability to decide the electors for Presidential elections.
I personal am abhorred by this, finding it absolutely unacceptable. I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
Straight-up - I'm getting disgusted with the Electoral College system - if these are the inherent abuses allowed.
Here's the best solution: Let the Republicans make these changes...then elect Democrats. Then the Democrats can take advantage of what the Republicans did.
target your disgust at the GOPGOP pushes for an ‘earthquake in American electoral power’
Conservatives are promoting the "independent legislature" theory, which would hand vast election powers to GOP legislators in battleground states.www.politico.com
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In essence, the Republican legislatures involved are arguing the courts have no say in reviewing the legislatures' decisions involving elections, and that the legislatures themselves are the final arbitrators of elections, including - at the extreme - the ability to decide the electors for Presidential elections.
I personal am abhorred by this, finding it absolutely unacceptable. I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
Straight-up - I'm getting disgusted with the Electoral College system - if these are the inherent abuses allowed.
GOP pushes for an ‘earthquake in American electoral power’
Conservatives are promoting the "independent legislature" theory, which would hand vast election powers to GOP legislators in battleground states.www.politico.com
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In essence, the Republican legislatures involved are arguing the courts have no say in reviewing the legislatures' decisions involving elections, and that the legislatures themselves are the final arbitrators of elections, including - at the extreme - the ability to decide the electors for Presidential elections.
I personal am abhorred by this, finding it absolutely unacceptable. I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
Straight-up - I'm getting disgusted with the Electoral College system - if these are the inherent abuses allowed.
Why vote for president anyway? Why bother when your state legislator will vote for president for you.
It seems like a very convenient legal interpretation that supports and sustains minority rule .
GOP pushes for an ‘earthquake in American electoral power’
Conservatives are promoting the "independent legislature" theory, which would hand vast election powers to GOP legislators in battleground states.www.politico.com
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In essence, the Republican legislatures involved are arguing the courts have no say in reviewing the legislatures' decisions involving elections, and that the legislatures themselves are the final arbitrators of elections, including - at the extreme - the ability to decide the electors for Presidential elections.
I personal am abhorred by this, finding it absolutely unacceptable. I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
Straight-up - I'm getting disgusted with the Electoral College system - if these are the inherent abuses allowed.
I gather that you are not a fan of the National Popular Vote proposition, huh?Why vote for president anyway? Why bother when your state legislator will vote for president for you.
It seems like a very convenient legal interpretation that supports and sustains minority rule .
I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
But you are comfortable with unelected state court judges deciding elections?
This is authoritarian rule that the Republicans want.
They want to take the voter out of the equation so they can keep installing fellow Republicans, against the will of the people.
Charles Koch Associates and extreme ALEC hard at work. Because of their definite minority status they need a wide range of voter suppression tools to keep the majority from taking back America. Why do moderate republicans keep blindly voting the GOP name is a concern? The GOP died the day Reagan/Bush came in and began the elimination of republicans form their party.GOP pushes for an ‘earthquake in American electoral power’
Conservatives are promoting the "independent legislature" theory, which would hand vast election powers to GOP legislators in battleground states.www.politico.com
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In essence, the Republican legislatures involved are arguing the courts have no say in reviewing the legislatures' decisions involving elections, and that the legislatures themselves are the final arbitrators of elections, including - at the extreme - the ability to decide the electors for Presidential elections.
I personal am abhorred by this, finding it absolutely unacceptable. I do not want politicians deciding the elections; I want my vote to be the one that counts.
Straight-up - I'm getting disgusted with the Electoral College system - if these are the inherent abuses allowed.
Charles Koch Associates and extreme ALEC hard at work. Because their definite minority status they need a wide range of voter suppression tools to keep the majority from taking back America. Why do moderate republicans keep blindly voting the GOP name is a concern? The GOP died the day Reagan/Bush came in
and began the elimination of republicans form their party.
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OK. Then I don't understand your objection. You don't want legislatures making the rules and you don't want courts making the rules, who gets to make the rules?I don't want judges deciding elections. Let them stick to jurisprudence.
If the GOP gets its way, no democrats will ever be elected. I believe that's the grand plan. If the SCOTUS goes for this, our country is forever screwed under authoritarian minority rule.Here's the best solution: Let the Republicans make these changes...then elect Democrats. Then the Democrats can take advantage of what the Republicans did.
OK. Then I don't understand your objection. You don't want legislatures making the rules and you don't want courts making the rules, who gets to make the rules?
Oh...never say never.If the GOP gets its way, no democrats will ever be elected. I believe that's the grand plan. If the SCOTUS goes for this, our country is forever screwed under authoritarian minority rule.
Damn right. The Supreme court should never have a say most certainly not the last word. It's the decision of the voters not just a few folks dressed as judges.I don't want judges deciding elections. Let them stick to jurisprudence.
Vote against all of these assholes and bring a friend.
yeah, making everyone's vote count equally in a national election, regardless of what dirt is under their feet, is a bridge too far for Republicans.Here's the best solution: Let the Republicans make these changes...then elect Democrats. Then the Democrats can take advantage of what the Republicans did.
Add how does that work? Seriously. No statewide election laws? Each voting district gets to make up their own rules based on some kind of popular vote in the district? Which begs the fundamental question of who gets to determine the districts.The People.
I feel the same about each and everyone of these issues:Damn right. The Supreme court should never have a say most certainly not the last word. It's the decision of the voters not just a few folks dressed as judges.
Believe me, if this country starts heading in that direction, conservatives will see the same freedoms vanish that the liberals do. At that point, it will be too late.Oh...never say never.
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