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GOP more worried about debt than jobs.

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James D Hill

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What is the GOP's obsession with austerity? They seem willing to bring the economy down just to slash and burn. Jobs are what will cure the debt along with making the rich pay their fair share like the did in the 90's. I think the GOP is taking avantage of these bad time by blaming it on the debt when the real reason is people not working and big business sending jobs overseas. If the economy gets better then the debt will not be a issue anymore.

The GOP hates intitlements,unemployment insurance and wellfare and thet are using this big business created downturn as an excuse to attack thinks they have hated for generations. I have news for you my right wing friends. The cold war is over. Socialism is here to stay and even more so if this economy does not get any better.
 
The GOP is merely corporate shills. Besides abortion (which gets the megaCorp Catholic Church on board) I cannot think of a single issue the GOP stands for that is not pro buisness and rich people. They do throw the NASCAR right a few bones once in a while, but it is all about the money, and that is all.
 

You are right my friend but you would think they would be for jobs which would get people off welfare and unemployment which they hate.
 
The Obama Administration has spent the last half decade spending like a drunken fiend. All the excess debt they have run up has resulted in absolutely nothing in terms of meaningful employment gains.

Meanwhile, prices on goods and services continue to steadily rise due to the effects of inflation.

I can totally see why you'd think that the GOP's stance on debt and spending reduction is unwarranted. :roll:
 
thems the bones...the Corporations dont care where they make their money. If they can move their company to China and make more money they are there in a flash, screw however many people here that will be out of a job. They do hate welfare and unemployment, it cuts into the profit, but they just pursue profit...
James D Hill said:
You are right my friend but you would think they would be for jobs which would get people off welfare and unemployment which they hate.
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Nah. Socialism isn't here to stay. This Progressive Fad will die out, and the damage it caused to states like California and others will be corrected.

Unsustainable economies never succeed.
 

Your side spent like drunken sailors also so don't try to pin this all on Obama. If we reduced the unemployment rate to 4.0 the debt would melt away so conservatives need to start working on getting people to work not slash and burn. Where are the jobs Mr Boehner?
 

Maybe if we start punishing those companies that sent millions of jobs overseas and reward those who bring the jobs back we could fix this economy.
 
And how has obama proposed to reward them? With obamacare, with the worlds 2nd highest corporate income tax on monies earned outside (and thus kept outside) America, or with energy policies that drive the costs beyond the norm while we invest in solar companies of major donors that end up bankrupt? We wouldn't have to cut spending if this administration would get off the golf course and get in the game: 1400 + days with no budget from the democratic controlled senate - cover for ofailure in charge.


James D Hill said:
Maybe if we start punishing those companies that sent millions of jobs overseas and reward those who bring the jobs back we could fix this economy.
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Don't pin this all on Obama, but pin it all on Boehner?

The irony in your post is staggering.
 
My initial reaction was to eliminate taxes on domestic companies and increase taxes on off-shoring companies. But I've done some research that indicates to me that this would, at best, only provide a partial solution.

•We buy many things from overseas (and have for decades) because our EPA laws preclude making things like vinyl in the US. This will not change since we are effectively exporting our pollution.
•There are many inexpensive products that are practical only with hand labor and our wage base is fr too high to produce them domestically
•Much of our domestic production is highly automated. The car companies are a good example. The Japanese make a lot of their cars here.

So, other than education, I don't know that we can buy jobs by spending as much as we do to produce relatively few results. Just today learned that we are short by a million programmers. I know that we impirt 10s of thousands of coders from India on work visas because we can't hire enough people domestically.

As for the deficit concerns, they are valid. We have a ridiculous amount of debt and in the long term this can only damage us. Neither Mr. Obama or Mr. Boehner can create jobs. So, all this is are variations on the blame game.


James D Hill said:
Maybe if we start punishing those companies that sent millions of jobs overseas and reward those who bring the jobs back we could fix this economy.
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Then weed out the ones that do not need to go overseas. I agree that textiles have been outsourced for a long time but that is not all the jobs that have been outsourced. We would have to study each case.
 
OK, why don't you give me a few examples and we'll analyze them case by case. I'm very open-minded.


James D Hill said:
Then weed out the ones that do not need to go overseas. I agree that textiles have been outsourced for a long time but that is not all the jobs that have been outsourced. We would have to study each case.
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I'm sorry. I missed the information. Where and when did the GOP say these things?
 
I think both sides are bad the last 12 years. Financial crisis was on the repubs. Bush II produced the first trillion dollar deficit his last year in office, he signed the 700 billion TARP which started being spent in Obama's first year, talk about being dumped on.

I am in favor of the sequester taking effect, even though it will cut about .5% off GDP growth this year. We have to start cutting back govt. spending, we are 4 years past the start of the crisis. It's time. Defense needs to be cut, we need to stop policing the world. Defense spending is out of control and doubled the last 12 years, it needs to come back down. Yes, that means layoffs.

It is not the govt. job to create jobs. If you want the unemployment rate to come down, end the "extended unemployment benefits" we pass due to the recession. I have a friend on unemployment that just turned down a job offer so he can retrain into a field where the longer term job prospects are better, but he could be working, the govt. is taking care of him. My stock broker says his sister is on unemployment and not looking because she's "enjoying herself for a while". Folks are not looking for work because we are paying them not to work. Not universally true, but it was time to end it in Dec. and I think it got extended another year!

Unemployment remains high because the nature of the economy has changed so much the last 20 years. Cheap labor in China and India has expanded the global labor pool by 50% the last 20 years and telephony, email, and containerized shipping allow us to tap it easily. Robotics and PC's reduce the need to labor in the US. This makes it harder to find a job.

Nothing about repubs or dems, nothing about tax policy or deficits. Its the reality of the modern economy, so the old rules don't work anymore. It wasn't working under Bush so they overstimulated a domestic only industry called housing, Obama is trying to clean up the housing mess slowly so the cure doesn't kill the patient. Obama has been too lenient with govt. welfare, doling out foodstamps and unemployment.

One of the best fed chairmen we had was dem Paul Volker, who raised interest rates sky high, brought on a steep recession in '81-82, killed the steel industry in america, but achieved his goal of killing inflation that was running 8% annually in the late 70's. He was appointed by Carter and retained by Reagan. What he did was bad for the economy in the short run for 4 years, but helped produce a generation of growth without inflation in the 80's and 90's. Sometimes doing the right thing for the long term is painful in the short run. Do you know when that is???
 

That is because the GOP will go to bat for big business every time we try to hold them accountable for sending millions of jobs overseas and destroying our standard of living. The stock market is now over 14000 while nobody is hiring. Until that is fixed we will be in debt and people will stil need foodstamps.
 
fmw said:
I'm sorry. I missed the information. Where and when did the GOP say these things?
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They have been saying these things with their actions my friend. Jobs not cutting is the cure. Conservatives are just using hard times to go after programs they have always hated. If they where serous about the debt then they would be more worried about jobs.
 
ocean515 said:
Don't pin this all on Obama, but pin it all on Boehner?

The irony in your post is staggering.
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Listen. The house is where all things begin and they have had plenty of chances to pass something that would have helped the job situation in this country. All we have seen is the far rights slash and burn and nothing else. You would almost think the debt was more important that jobs as far as the GOP is concerned. The house owns this mess every bit if not more that the president because they became the party of no and created gridlock when we needed them to come together.
 
James D Hill said:
What is the GOP's obsession with austerity? They seem willing to bring the economy down just to slash and burn.
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And how, exactly, will $84 billion (actually only $44 billion in 2013) in "cuts" manage to dismantle a $16 trillion economy? Do you really believe this?
 

How bout the simple fact that a government job is a 0 profit job. Of course we republicans don't like those.

Look up net jobs vs jobs.

Cost of employment. Plus an indebted government will mean higher cost and less money down the road. Considering that I don't want my grand children (I'm 23) to pay for the idiotic mistakes of out current economic policies (and foreign)...I'd like that debt to be fixed.
 

Not every business owner makes millions. Heck not every corporation is a multi million dollar organization.

My father's business is effected by every type of economic policy that raises prices on him to do business. This hasn't changed since Clinton (and most of this is state and local stuff too). Raises in minimum wage sound great...except it screws everyone of his employees who makes above minimum (teenagers pretty much or part timers who aren't too high above minimum). He has 2 choices. Take the hit himself...which he would have to do pretty much every election cycle...or pass the price onto his consumer...like he does. So in reality the only people hurt are those who need his services. They get a higher price.

His business grew during the recession...in spite of Obama legislation...and now it is a 830k business(not his take home pay). He has had to keep a tight budget. He can't hire more employees even when he needs them.

He can't create more space for profit, can't purchase more machines, and it has only been through smart management that he has grown. He has put the money as bottom line so his family can afford to go to college, his full time employees can get healthcare and send their kids to college, and he tries to run a competitively priced business that practices ethically and cheaply for his consumers. With the democrats in charge that is damn hard to do. He is private business.

Money is damn important and if someone is thinking about money you don't get a job. Someone has to pay taxes. Money aint everything, but in out world it is the way you provide for your family's safety and future.
 
SuperFan99 said:
And how, exactly, will $84 billion (actually only $44 billion in 2013) in "cuts" manage to dismantle a $16 trillion economy? Do you really believe this?
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I am saying this mess is caused by Americans not working,two unfunded wars,a unfunded tax break for the rich and an unfunded presciption drug plan thus the debt. Until Americans get back to work and get off entitlements all the cutting in the world wil not work. You know it as well as I. The American businessperson has given up on Americans and that is unpatriotic and a sin that needs to be confronted. Jobs that pay are the fix.
 
So your solution is for the federal government to print fake monopoly dollars in order to give unemployed people jobs? And that's going to lead us from depression to recovery?

Forgive my skepticism, but I'm not aware of this kind of model actually working anywhere before.
 

What ever it takes to make American business to start hiring Americans again instead of outsourcing. That has to happen and nothing is going to change until it does.
 
I'm on board with that goal. I just don't think that hiring thousands of federal workers (that we can't pay for) gets us there.
 
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