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GOP lawmaker: 'Men are more motivated' than women

Gimmesometruth said:
You are REALLY wrong in this case, he is making an argument to oppose legislative action in the NH House for equal pay for equal work, no wage discrimination based on gender for the same work.
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I'm not discussing the position he was taking, I'm simply discussing what was captured in the video.

This already passed their Senate, he is a Republican.

I'm surprised to see you taking this position.
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Why? I don't have a political party and I've never understood why people care about what some random stupid state senator says. Most state legislators are too stuck up their own ass to realize how pathetic it is they are stuck up their own ass. And what he said wasn't incorrect, just how he said. There is more societal pressure on men to provide financially for their families and men are more likely to take jobs which take them from their family. We can argue all day whether it's right or not, but it won't change the truth of the matter.

I'm not agreeing with his interpretations nor his vote. I'm simply saying that what he said, while said in an offensive manner, wasn't incorrect.
 
Slyfox696 said:
I'm not discussing the position he was taking, I'm simply discussing what was captured in the video.
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If you are referring to his argument on the floor, that is part of his position.

Why? I don't have a political party and I've never understood why people care about what some random stupid state senator says.
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He is a GOP NH House member, if you don't care....why are you here?


It is completely incorrect in the CONTEXT OF THE LEGISLATION HE IS DEBATING. Again, it is stupid to argue that equal pay for equal work is not needed....be cause men do "more risky work", or because women are not as motivated.
 
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Funny how the actual words make a difference.

"men are more motivated by money than women are"

What do the actual Bureau of Labor and Statistics figures indicate re working hours, weekend work, overtime work, etc.?
 
VanceMack said:
Funny how the actual words make a difference.

"men are more motivated by money than women are"

What do the actual Bureau of Labor and Statistics figures indicate re working hours, weekend work, overtime work, etc.?
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It is funny, isn't it?

I'm trying to find that data for NH and I'm not sure where to find it so that it's broken down.

Funny enough, this is getting virtually no attention here. Nothing on WMUR which is our NH-based ABC affiliate so far. They have been reporting on all of the fires here yesterday from the wind, and talking about the Bruins, an attempted abduction, where you can find the best chicken parm in the state, the new law passed requiring horse owners to pick up horse poop, and fake bibs at the Boston Marathon, but not this. I know some on the left have their undies in a bunch over this, but it isn't even making news right here in our own state.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Women don't work weekends or nights? Tell that to the women you'll see working in every store or restaurant you go into this evening and weekend.
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According to the NY Times..."Even as Mr. Obama seeks to make an issue of the gender gap in compensation across the country, however, his own hiring is facing some scrutiny. The recent study, by the conservative American Enterprise Institute, showed that the median annual salary for women in the White House last year was $65,000, while the median annual salary for men was $73,729. The study was based on White House salary data."

It CANT be because of circumstances like career choice, hours dedicated to the career vs the honorable and necessary pursuits of family and motherhood, and any of a number of other factors...right? It must be because the Obama administration discriminates against women.
 
VanceMack said:
Funny how the actual words make a difference.

"men are more motivated by money than women are"
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....therefore, when working at the same job, with the same skills and training.....women should not be guaranteed the same rate of pay.
 
Meh...its so routine anymore its funny. People have to have something to soil themselves over. And get used to it. This will be Hilliary's campaign cause. Of course...it will be the same Hilary that called women that dared to complain about senator Packwood whiny bitches and that has routinely trashed women her husband ****ed, ****ed over, raped, sexually assaulted, poked, and probed.

"Cause" is relative to ideation and political bent. And neither side has the market cornered on that front. Both do it. This is just AN example of it.
 
In that NYT article, it was shown that women in the same position earn the same as men, the difference is that more women occupy lower level positions, skewing the "average" nominal income levels.

I know this because I commented in that article.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
....therefore, when working at the same job, with the same skills and training.....women should not be guaranteed the same rate of pay.
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Where they ARE doing identical work they should be PAID identical. Where they are NOT...they shouldnt be. IF you can point to two lumberjacks, both carrying the same workload with the same amount of experience and the same amount of time on that particular job having a pay disparity...raise the ****ing roof and I will be right there with you. When you cling to statistical anomalies and compilations to prove your point...you fail. Miserably.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
....therefore, when working at the same job, with the same skills and training.....women should not be guaranteed the same rate of pay.
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Who said that? And who says women aren't already getting the same rate of pay when all of their criteria is equal to a male counterpart?

There is no law needed here.
 
Even this article posted on a far left website agrees with the state senator:


In its 2007 Behind the Pay Gap report, the AAUW admits that most of the gap in earnings is explained by choices.
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No, Women Don
 
Gimmesometruth said:
In that NYT article, it was shown that women in the same position earn the same as men, the difference is that more women occupy lower level positions, skewing the "average" nominal income levels.

I know this because I commented in that article.
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That was the point I was making. Either he is a scumbag and treats women poorly or there is a reason for that disparity. THATS the point. The congressman that was cited (incorrectly cited in the OP BTW) took his numbers from The BofL&S. Guess what. Those facts are real as well.
 
VanceMack said:
Where they ARE doing identical work they should be PAID identical. Where they are NOT...they shouldnt be.
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And I have posted the legislation that SAYS exactly that, yet you are defending a GOP NH House member that opposes it with arguments USING DATA THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE LEGISLATION.
 

He's not one of our Congressmen, he's a state Senator. Our Congresscritters (2 moronic women) wouldn't know what the BLS was if they were led there by their noses.

And yes, he was absolutely cited incorrectly. But that won't stop the partisans from being partisan.
 
But his argument is BS, he is making an nominal argument, not a rate of pay argument to OPPOSE equal pay for equal work.

The WH is not discriminating based on gender, they pay women the same for the same work.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
And I have posted the legislation that SAYS exactly that, yet you are defending a GOP NH House member that opposes it with arguments USING DATA THAT DOES NOT APPLY TO THE LEGISLATION.
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I oppose legislation forcing private businesses to do anything other than pay their taxes. Its a great principle to apply to government agencies. NOT private businesses.

I am neither defending nor condemning the congressman...merely pointing out his ACTUAL words. If I cite your words but take them out of context or leave out inconvenient words, you would probably have a problem with that...right?
 

He is not a state senator, he is a state house member....from your own state.

Can't you get anything straight?
 
VanceMack said:
I oppose legislation forcing private businesses to do anything other than pay their taxes. Its a great principle to apply to government agencies. NOT private businesses.
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LOL....what a change in tune from just a moment ago.....

VanceMack said:
IF you can point to two lumberjacks, both carrying the same workload with the same amount of experience and the same amount of time on that particular job having a pay disparity...raise the ****ing roof and I will be right there with you.
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I suppose your out will be that since there are probably few NH female lumberjacks, you are not going to support state efforts towards equal pay.....or be "right there with me".

Wow.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
He is not a state senator, he is a state house member....from your own state.

Can't you get anything straight?
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This thread isn't about me, it's about a lawmaker from NH. I made a mistake in my post. I know what he is. I live here. I am sorry my mistake in my typing caused you such angst. Thank you.
 

None on the left have a problem with the lies of HuffPo and the selective rewriting of the man's words. It's all to make political points. They don't even know what women get paid in NH, or live here for that matter, so why do they even care? I still can't find the damn stats to show what women make here versus men for the same work, same job (which is what this is all about).

I do know that when I go to the supermarket in the late mornings or early afternoons, with the exception of a few old men who are retired, and an occasional local male college student, almost everyone in the place is female. It appears in NH we have more men at work during the day than women.
 
Maybe maybe not, but they don't have to be. They get preferential treatment either way.
 
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