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We can't trust the military unless they are doing what we tell them too. ?? Wait. What?
It's about time. The rules for owning a personal firearm on base is so dumb
Liberals will be against this, and it will prove that gun safety programs are enough for them......as they sometimes say should be required for gun ownership. Who gets more gun safety and training than military personnel?
Nobody, and that's how you know their claims that these "safety programs" should be required for public safety are just another lie meant to infringe further upon Second Amendment Rights. It makes absolutely no sense for military personnel to be disarmed in a military base. A military base for us is a military target for hostile personnel at any time, whether during a time of war or not. If the enemy rears its head on post, and starts ****, we don't need to have to wait for the MP's or on-post security (which is a joke in and of itself), we need the personnel already present to be armed so they can neutralize the threat the moment it shows itself. LEOSA allows police officers, active or retired, to carry concealed regardless of jurisdiction or state laws. Why not extend that to military personnel and veterans? Are we somehow less qualified to respond to acts of terrorism and violence?
The right to keep and bear arms belongs to all free Americans, not just to those in the employ of the government. There is no justification for allowing police officers or members of the military any more privilege in this regard than the American public to whom they are supposed to be servants.
I'd rather they not change this rule
Why is that?
Bringing weapons into work just creates an extra hassle to secure them while people do their work, either they would be secured in the arms room which you should know is nothing anyone likes to deal with, or if kept on their person its just an extra thing that serves no purpose for your daily work. Plus there's the possibility of theft, lost weapons, etc. There's a reason why the military secures your assigned weapon in an arms room, and doesn't just issue it to you along with your clothes.
Of course I'm talking back in garrison.
Who gets more gun safety and training than military personnel?
Those who attend a NRA hunter safety course.
As history has shown us, every time the U.S. military is used for liberal social engineering experimentations, soldiers, Marines, sailors, airmen and even civilians bleed and die.
GOP bill allows guns on military bases
>" The bill is a response to this month's shooting spree on a Washington, D.C., naval base that left 13 dead.
House Republicans on Thursday introduced legislation that would end the ban on carrying firearms on military bases in response to this month's shooting spree on a Washington, D.C., naval base that left 13 dead, including the shooter.
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) proposed the Safe Military Bases Act, H.R. 3199, along with six other House Republicans. Stockman said the bill would reverse the Clinton-era gun policy that he said has led to two mass shootings on bases.
"Our disarmed military bases are vulnerable targets for terrorists, as we saw in Fort Hood and the Navy Yard," Stockman said Thursday. "Despite that, soldiers trained to use guns cannot carry on base.
"The result is two mass killings where defenseless soldiers had to watch as their friends were murdered."..."<
Read more: GOP bill allows guns on military bases - The Hill's RegWatch
Opinion:
>"Bill Clinton, whom told us he loathed the military, and whose administration treated the military like they were valet parking monkeys, pushed for and got a law that disarmed everyone on U.S. military facilities. Considering how the left looked down on the military at that time, I can see how these morons were scared of troops with weapons, and thought themselves pretty clever disarming them all. The media did a great job of keeping this piece of information away from people when Nidal Hassan killed innocents in his Jihad, then managed to bury that story completely. Fast forward to the Navy yard attack, and suddenly everyone is wondering how it could be that even the guards on base were unarmed. The base marines in addition to being told to stand down, couldn’t have responded anyway, since they had weapons and no ammo. It smacks of stupid on a level that should make everyone but the gun grabbers get whiplash. Gun-free zones have the same effect on deranged mass murderers as a Chinese buffet has on a 400lbs hungry hulk with a massive eating disorder.
So I am glad to see that some good will finally come out of this tragedy.
Service members and federal civilians could carry personal firearms on military bases under a bill introduced Thursday by Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, that would reverse a 20-year-old policy on firearms.
“Why are civilians at a restaurant allowed to defend themselves but soldiers trained in firearms aren’t?” Stockman said. “Why can’t we extend common-sense gun laws like open carry to our soldiers?”
The Safe Military Bases Act, HR 3199, is Stockman’s response to the Sept. 16 shooting at the Washington Navy Yard and is similar to legislation introduced after the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.
Stockman said mass shootings could be stopped if people on base carried their own guns.
Seriously, if we can not trust the people we let into the military with firearms, we have big problems. Then again, this administration has made no bones of their belief that the more immediate terrorist threat in America isn’t Islamofascists, but ex-military people with a grudge against our abusive nanny state, so I can see them not wanting to let the military carry weapons."<
About time they reversed that stupid Clinton era law preventing military personel from being armed » Right Thinking
Those who attend a NRA hunter safety course.
Don't know if you're actually interested or not, but the law you're complaining about came to be before Clinton took office.As..."<
Enjoy
FYI
http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r190_14.pdf
Carrying of Firearms and Use of Force for Law Enforcement and Security Duties
SUMMARY of CHANGE
AR 190–14
Carrying of Firearms and Use of Force for Law Enforcement and Security Duties
This revision--
Implements applicable portions of Department of Defense Directive 5210.56.
There are only two documents there.These directives are in regard to law enforcement on military installations.
Two of the links are dated when Clinton was POTUS.
Please cite these DOD directives which Congress established.But the directives you provided have nothing to do with gun free zones that were established on military installations by Congress during the Clinton administration.
There are only two documents there.
One document is what is cited when tying the policy to Clinton--Army Regulation 190-14. The second document is what the first document cites--DOD Directive 5210.56.
Directive 5210.56 was published February 25, 1992. So, it is technically from the "Clinton Era" as the article in the OP describes it, but it wasn't actually during Clinton's presidency.
Please cite these DOD directives which Congress established.
As history has shown us, every time the U.S. military is used for liberal social engineering experimentations, soldiers, Marines, sailors, airmen and even civilians bleed and die.
GOP bill allows guns on military bases
>" The bill is a response to this month's shooting spree on a Washington, D.C., naval base that left 13 dead.
House Republicans on Thursday introduced legislation that would end the ban on carrying firearms on military bases in response to this month's shooting spree on a Washington, D.C., naval base that left 13 dead, including the shooter.
Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) proposed the Safe Military Bases Act, H.R. 3199, along with six other House Republicans. Stockman said the bill would reverse the Clinton-era gun policy that he said has led to two mass shootings on bases.
"Our disarmed military bases are vulnerable targets for terrorists, as we saw in Fort Hood and the Navy Yard," Stockman said Thursday. "Despite that, soldiers trained to use guns cannot carry on base.
"The result is two mass killings where defenseless soldiers had to watch as their friends were murdered."..."<
Read more: GOP bill allows guns on military bases - The Hill's RegWatch
Opinion:
>"Bill Clinton, whom told us he loathed the military, and whose administration treated the military like they were valet parking monkeys, pushed for and got a law that disarmed everyone on U.S. military facilities. Considering how the left looked down on the military at that time, I can see how these morons were scared of troops with weapons, and thought themselves pretty clever disarming them all. The media did a great job of keeping this piece of information away from people when Nidal Hassan killed innocents in his Jihad, then managed to bury that story completely. Fast forward to the Navy yard attack, and suddenly everyone is wondering how it could be that even the guards on base were unarmed. The base marines in addition to being told to stand down, couldn’t have responded anyway, since they had weapons and no ammo. It smacks of stupid on a level that should make everyone but the gun grabbers get whiplash. Gun-free zones have the same effect on deranged mass murderers as a Chinese buffet has on a 400lbs hungry hulk with a massive eating disorder.
So I am glad to see that some good will finally come out of this tragedy.
Service members and federal civilians could carry personal firearms on military bases under a bill introduced Thursday by Rep. Steve Stockman, R-Texas, that would reverse a 20-year-old policy on firearms.
“Why are civilians at a restaurant allowed to defend themselves but soldiers trained in firearms aren’t?” Stockman said. “Why can’t we extend common-sense gun laws like open carry to our soldiers?”
The Safe Military Bases Act, HR 3199, is Stockman’s response to the Sept. 16 shooting at the Washington Navy Yard and is similar to legislation introduced after the 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas.
Stockman said mass shootings could be stopped if people on base carried their own guns.
Seriously, if we can not trust the people we let into the military with firearms, we have big problems. Then again, this administration has made no bones of their belief that the more immediate terrorist threat in America isn’t Islamofascists, but ex-military people with a grudge against our abusive nanny state, so I can see them not wanting to let the military carry weapons."<
About time they reversed that stupid Clinton era law preventing military personel from being armed » Right Thinking
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