GOP Interrupts Planned Parenthood President For 5 Hours

[blaxshep]

I totally disagree with your opinion of them but, at least you're not blind to what they actually do.

Interesting response, but I assume, for you, its not so much that the parts are being used for research (Why would anyone rather they just be incinerated) but that abortions are taking place at all?

 

[Paperview]

Sure it did. We learned that over 86% of their revenue is derived from abortions and Cecile Richards, like her mentor Margret Sanger, doesn’t have an issue with abortions being done to target race and gender.

Er, Margaret Sanger was anti-abortion.

 

[blaxshep]

Ummm, China picks gender of their babies all the time.

If the fetus is determined to be an undesirable sex, before it becomes self aware, what is the problem?

 

[WCH]

Interesting response, but I assume, for you, its not so much that the parts are being used for research (Why would anyone rather they just be incinerated) but that abortions are taking place at all?

As a person of faith, I don't believe abortion should be allowed except in extreme circumstances. Since harvesting fetal body parts wouldn't happen other than with an abortion, I would follow the same logic in abhorring that practice also.

 

[pbrauer]

Ok then whatever was quoted by David_N in post #5 was incorrect. That's not surprising.

I'm changing my last answer, the reference to the Y-axis was in the text he quoted. The person who wrote the link got it wrong.

Congressman uses misleading graph to smear Planned Parenthood | MSNBC

 

[WCH]

If the fetus is determined to be an undesirable sex, before it becomes self aware, what is the problem?

Are you positive it's not self-aware?

IMO,at conception, it's a human. Gender selection is one of the sicker reasons to have abortion. Right up there with "I just don't want it"

 

[Hari Seldon]

I'm changing my last answer, the reference to the Y-axis was in the text he quoted. The person who wrote the link got it wrong.

Congressman uses misleading graph to smear Planned Parenthood | MSNBC

Apparently this Jason Chaffetz is a lying SOS. Not surprising for an anti choice Repuke congressman. Told Richards the graph was from their annual report when it was from some dishonest anti choice group. He probably believes the earth is 10,000 years old and views The Flintstones as a documentary.

 

[WCH]

Er, Margaret Sanger was anti-abortion.

Margaret Sanger Quotes, History, and Biography - Research, Statistics, and History on Abortion & Human Rights

not really

 

[Ancient Herald]

I don't think it's really the GOP doing this. I think it's somebody behind the GOP.

But this is just speculation, nothing more. I have no way to prove this claim.

 

[tres borrachos]

It's hilarious because the 'graph' has no y axis.
Maybe these witch hunters need basic education.

Are they debating y axes or are they debating something else?

 

[tres borrachos]

When was the last a man had an abortion?

I suspect he means the gender of the fetus, not the gender of the person having the abortion.

 

[blaxshep]

Are you positive it's not self-aware?

IMO,at conception, it's a human. Gender selection is one of the sicker reasons to have abortion. Right up there with "I just don't want it"

Cant be self aware without a brain. At conception it is a single cell and it will be quite some time before enough brain cells are formed to allow consciousness.

We differ on this immensely. In Sparta if a child was born with a defect it was taken to the cliffs and tossed of to die. I'm good with that, except I think the parts could be better used.

 

[Paperview]

not really

Yes, really. You don't know what you're talking about. Sanger was anti-abortion.

 

[Paperview]

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From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.
​

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.


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She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

​

In 1930, Pope Pius XII wrote his encyclical Castii Connubii, which reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church’s prohibition of abortion. In 1931, Sanger wrote this in her response to the encyclical:

Birth Control Does Not Mean Abortion

“The real alternative to birth control is abortion,” wrote Dean Inge, in his article already quoted. It is an alternative that I cannot too strongly condemn. Although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious. I bring up the subject here only because some ill-informed persons have the notion that when we speak of birth control we include abortion as a method. We certainly do not.

Abortion destroys the already fertilized ovum or the embryo; contraception, as I have carefully explained, prevents the fertilizing of the ovum by keeping the male cells away. Thus it prevents the beginning of life.
​

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.
​

[/TD]

The above is from the very conservative website, Redstate.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState



And from

The Weekly Standard :

"[Sanger] turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: “I do not approve of abortion.” She called it “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” a “horror.” She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so.”

She called the results of abortion “an outrageous slaughter,” “infanticide,” “foeticide,” and “the killing of babies.” And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control “has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place.” Birth control stands alone: “It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation.”​

Sanger was on your side on the abortion debate, honey. Using the same pro-life language then as your side does now.

 

[WCH]

[TD="align: left"]

From Chapter II of her 1920 book Woman and the New Race, she states the following:

So, too, with woman’s struggle for emancipation. Women in all lands and all ages have instinctively desired family limitation. Usually this desire has been laid to economic pressure. Frequently the pressure has existed, but the driving force behind woman’s aspiration toward freedom has lain deeper. It has asserted itself among the rich and among the poor, among the intelligent and the unintelligent. It has been manifested in such horrors as infanticide, child abandonment and abortion.
​

From Chapter X of the same:

While there are cases where even the law recognizes an abortion as justifiable if recommended by a physician, I assert that the hundreds of thousands of abortions performed in America each year are a disgrace to civilization.


​

She doesn’t stop there, though. In a speech to the Sixth International Neo-Malthusian and Birth Control Conference, she said the following:

Human society must protect its children–yes, but prenatal care is most essential! The child-to-be, as yet not called into being, has rights no less imperative.

​

In 1930, Pope Pius XII wrote his encyclical Castii Connubii, which reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church’s prohibition of abortion. In 1931, Sanger wrote this in her response to the encyclical:

Birth Control Does Not Mean Abortion

“The real alternative to birth control is abortion,” wrote Dean Inge, in his article already quoted. It is an alternative that I cannot too strongly condemn. Although abortion may be resorted to in order to save the life of the mother, the practice of it merely for limitation of offspring is dangerous and vicious. I bring up the subject here only because some ill-informed persons have the notion that when we speak of birth control we include abortion as a method. We certainly do not.

Abortion destroys the already fertilized ovum or the embryo; contraception, as I have carefully explained, prevents the fertilizing of the ovum by keeping the male cells away. Thus it prevents the beginning of life.
​

In her 1938 autobiography, Sanger says the following on page 217:

To each group we explained simply what contraception was; that abortion was the wrong way—no matter how early it was performed it was taking life; that contraception was the better way, the safer way—it took a little time, a little trouble, but was well worth while in the long run, because life had not begun.
​

[/TD]

The above is from the very conservative website, Redstate.

What Did Margaret Sanger Think about Abortion? | RedState



And from

The Weekly Standard :

"[Sanger] turned women seeking abortions away from her clinics: “I do not approve of abortion.” She called it “sordid,” “abhorrent,” “terrible,” “barbaric,” a “horror.” She called abortionists “blood-sucking men with MD after their names who perform operations for the price of so-and-so.”

She called the results of abortion “an outrageous slaughter,” “infanticide,” “foeticide,” and “the killing of babies.” And Margaret Sanger, who knew a thing or two about contraception, said that birth control “has nothing to do with abortion, it has nothing to do with interfering with or disturbing life after conception has taken place.” Birth control stands alone: “It is the first, last, and final step we all are to take to have real human emancipation.”​

Sanger was on your side on the abortion debate, honey. Using the same pro-life language then as your side does now.

If that's true, she must be rolling in her grave.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Are you positive it's not self-aware?

IMO,at conception, it's a human. Gender selection is one of the sicker reasons to have abortion. Right up there with "I just don't want it"

I can't be self aware unitl it grows the physical organs necessary. Coincidentally, at around 24 weeks.

 

[Manc Skipper]

Apparently this Jason Chaffetz is a lying SOS. Not surprising for an anti choice Repuke congressman. Told Richards the graph was from their annual report when it was from some dishonest anti choice group. He probably believes the earth is 10,000 years old and views The Flintstones as a documentary.

I found a chart that corrects the "error". On a chart with one "Y" axis for them all. Essentially his crossed line pic suggested that PP was doing less cancer prevention and many more abortions. Apart from the fact that it's simply not true, they are also providing other vital services that he thought unnecessary to mention.

 

[WCH]

I can't be self aware unitl it grows the physical organs necessary. Coincidentally, at around 24 weeks.

Every heard of a 'soul'.?