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GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties

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[h=1]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties[/h]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties | TheHill

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) on Friday pushed back on the Trump administration's plan to send hundreds of undocumented immigrants to two of the state's southern counties.


DeSantis, an ally of President Trump, called the administration's plan "not acceptable" and told reporters that it might not go into effect, according to NBC News.


"I'm going to be addressing this," he said. "This is not something that came down from the White House. This was something that came out of the agencies."

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About 1,000 immigrants will be sent to Palm Beach and Broward County each month for detainment. Governor Rick DeSantis isn't too pleased.


 
I think this new strategy of publicly announcing where they are dropping off these illegals is a powerful one.
 
[h=1]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties[/h]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties | TheHill

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) on Friday pushed back on the Trump administration's plan to send hundreds of undocumented immigrants to two of the state's southern counties.


DeSantis, an ally of President Trump, called the administration's plan "not acceptable" and told reporters that it might not go into effect, according to NBC News.


"I'm going to be addressing this," he said. "This is not something that came down from the White House. This was something that came out of the agencies."

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About 1,000 immigrants will be sent to Palm Beach and Broward County each month for detainment. Governor Rick DeSantis isn't too pleased.



Nobody wants these illegal aliens in their communities, yet nobody wants to do anything to stop them from coming to the US.
 
Heaven’s waiting room definitely doesn’t want ‘em! .....or that other place....
 
I think this new strategy of publicly announcing where they are dropping off these illegals is a powerful one.

Yes it's impractical, politically motivated, unjust, has no relation to the problem at hand, but is indeed a powerful statement of what an asshole the president is.
 
[h=1]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties[/h]GOP gov pushes back on Trump plan to send migrants to Florida counties | TheHill

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) on Friday pushed back on the Trump administration's plan to send hundreds of undocumented immigrants to two of the state's southern counties.


DeSantis, an ally of President Trump, called the administration's plan "not acceptable" and told reporters that it might not go into effect, according to NBC News.


"I'm going to be addressing this," he said. "This is not something that came down from the White House. This was something that came out of the agencies."

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About 1,000 immigrants will be sent to Palm Beach and Broward County each month for detainment. Governor Rick DeSantis isn't too pleased.



Typical Trump/Miller move. Will they make them walk the distance at gunpoint?
 
I think this new strategy of publicly announcing where they are dropping off these illegals is a powerful one.
I think Trump's strategy should be stopping illegal immigration, rather than assisting it. But what do I know?
 
Yes it's impractical, politically motivated, unjust, has no relation to the problem at hand, but is indeed a powerful statement of what an asshole the president is.

Impractical? It gives the communities that want them or the ones that don't an awareness that there is now a need in their community.

Politically motivated? Yes of course. Because we on the right don't feel they should be here at all.

Unjust? The only people it is unjust to is the Americans that are having illegals with no means of support dropped off in their community without consulting them first.

No relation to the problem? It is exactly the problem. There are to many to vet and house...it is indeed a CRISIS

Being triggered to the point of name calling does little to nothing to support your comments.

Raise your game.
 
Typical Trump/Miller move. Will they make them walk the distance at gunpoint?
This is insane. He's essentially delivering low-skilled migrants to where the menial hospitality jobs are, and concurrently announcing plans to let in, hire, and ease the path to citizenship for more high-skilled migrants and their families.

I'm at a loss here ...
 
Nobody wants these illegal aliens in their communities, yet nobody wants to do anything to stop them from coming to the US.

Well, they don't want ALL of them sent to their communities.

I think we might take them in California, as long as we get to keep all the money Californians send to Washington to be distributed to states that hate Californians but love our subsidizing their states.
 
I think Trump's strategy should be stopping illegal immigration, rather than assisting it. But what do I know?

You doubt that he is trying everything he can do? Hell he shut down the government to try to address it. I think you are the left are partially right when you say it is a crisis he created though. I believe he has created the perception that we are cracking down, leading anyone who has ever been thinking about coming to come, knowing it's now or never. I also think there is only so much the executive branch can do to address this problem. It is a congressional problem that benefits both parties so there is no real congressional interest in fixing it.
 
Well, they don't want ALL of them sent to their communities.

I think we might take them in California, as long as we get to keep all the money Californians send to Washington to be distributed to states that hate Californians but love our subsidizing their states.

"ALL of them"? Hardly.

A thousand each month out of over a HUNDRED thousand coming across the border each month is a drop in the bucket.

And sorry...you don't get any extra money for taking them. You don't need the extra money. Just spend your own money wisely and raise taxes. That's what Democrats do...right?
 
This is insane. He's essentially delivering low-skilled migrants to where the menial hospitality jobs are, and concurrently announcing plans to let in, hire, and ease the path to citizenship for more high-skilled migrants and their families.

I'm at a loss here ...

We want more high skilled migrants rather than low skilled one. Flooding the market with low entry workers keeps the wages down for the lowest of earners while those on the high end of the scale can turn into job creators. At least at a much higher rate than the entry level ones. Also entry level migrants are more likely to become a burden on tax payers while that is far less likely for a highly skilled worker. I would think you would be all for this proposal?
 
We want more high skilled migrants rather than low skilled one. Flooding the market with low entry workers keeps the wages down for the lowest of earners while those on the high end of the scale can turn into job creators. At least at a much higher rate than the entry level ones. Also entry level migrants are more likely to become a burden on tax payers while that is far less likely for a highly skilled worker. I would think you would be all for this proposal?
I suggest we need to greatly curtail all types of immigration competing for American jobs, and let free-market forces within our country allow wages to approach more relative historical rates.

I had friends I grew-up with that went into the building trades as a career path, a path that would have previously allowed them to buy a house, raise a family, and eventually retire - like their blue-collar parents. If you want to do that today, be prepared to having to speak Spanish to your co-workers, while you work for a hundred bucks a day with no bennies. So I don't buy the "we need low paid workers", excuse. Many of those low-paid construction jobs are low paying today, directly because of the low-wage migrant workers that took them - sometimes illegally. The same goes for landscaping, factories, and many other kinds of formerly "working-class" labor.

As to the need for importing high-skilled labor, I have direct experience with that, albeit quite a few years ago. I saw American software and system engineers, making good salaries (for then) of 60-85K/yr, essentially forced to train their imported Indian H1B replacements starting at 27K/yr!

Yep, those were the real salary numbers above, when this all went down. The Americans were forced to train the Indians, because they needed the additional severance settlement they got for remaining onboard through the new guy's training period. Within 3 years I saw an entire department go from only several new Indian H2B hires, to virtually entirely Indian rank & file, including a new Indian manager.

I changed careers several times, and one of them was immediately after many of us were shown the door by the actions I described above. It wasn't my sole reason to change, but it weighed extremely heavily in my decision.

So while you think we need more workers imported, I don't at this time. I'd like to see the employment market-place work in a more free fashion, in terms of hiring and wage increases. We're finally starting to see a small reversal in the long fall of American workers' wages, and it's because employment demand is pressuring it. I'd like to see it continue, rather than be further disrupted by the plutocracy that is the government-political-business establishment.

You doubt that he is trying everything he can do? Hell he shut down the government to try to address it. I think you are the left are partially right when you say it is a crisis he created though. I believe he has created the perception that we are cracking down, leading anyone who has ever been thinking about coming to come, knowing it's now or never. I also think there is only so much the executive branch can do to address this problem. It is a congressional problem that benefits both parties so there is no real congressional interest in fixing it.
I don't know. I believe I see a billionaire Reality TV star, that started a PR endeavor that snowballed into becoming an accidental Presidency. He lies and cons his being a populist, while looking out for himself and his billionaire buddies. His actions speak loudest, as he nearly immediately struck-down mandatory over-time rules, and placed his billionaire buddies in charge of the agencies that protect the citizenry. He increased H2B & H1B allotments. Why? He won't mandate E- Verify. Why?

So right now, despite all his promises and theatrics, he acts far more like a billionaire capitalist than a populist.
 
Nobody wants these illegal aliens in their communities, yet nobody wants to do anything to stop them from coming to the US.

I live in Miami and if Trump wants to drop illegals off here that's fine with me. DeSantis is a Republican Gov. and he doesn't want them here because he's at least smart enough to understand that there is nothing keeping them here and like every north Floridian DeSantis fears the slow migration of minorities northward.
 
I live in Miami and if Trump wants to drop illegals off here that's fine with me. DeSantis is a Republican Gov. and he doesn't want them here because he's at least smart enough to understand that there is nothing keeping them here and like every north Floridian DeSantis fears the slow migration of minorities northward.

Could it be he just doesn't want them draining his State of resources and jobs?

I'm not defending him. I'm taking a reasonable look at the issue.

But hey...if he was forced to take them, perhaps he could put some pressure on Congress to deal with the problems he's likely to face.
 
I live in Miami and if Trump wants to drop illegals off here that's fine with me. DeSantis is a Republican Gov. and he doesn't want them here because he's at least smart enough to understand that there is nothing keeping them here and like every north Floridian DeSantis fears the slow migration of minorities northward.
Interesting you say that. I always heard, concerning Florida in political terms:

"The further North you go, the more South you are!"

:mrgreen:
 
Nobody wants these illegal aliens in their communities, yet nobody wants to do anything to stop them from coming to the US.

The governor of Oregon, I believe, said they'd be welcome. I would welcome them to my town.

But really, they should be sent to counties who need vegetable pickers. They could probably use them.
 
I think this new strategy of publicly announcing where they are dropping off these illegals is a powerful one.

Isn't that kind of all he does - announce them?

Otherwise, he doesn't really do too much.
 
I suggest we need to greatly curtail all types of immigration competing for American jobs, and let free-market forces within our country allow wages to approach more relative historical rates......


.....So right now, despite all his promises and theatrics, he acts far more like a billionaire capitalist than a populist.

I find your reply honest and certainly your points worth consideration. Although I don't agree completely with your final paragraph, in the end you many be right. I find your position completely defend-able and well thought out. I appreciate your insight.
 
This is insane. He's essentially delivering low-skilled migrants to where the menial hospitality jobs are, and concurrently announcing plans to let in, hire, and ease the path to citizenship for more high-skilled migrants and their families.

I'm at a loss here ...


Really? It's pretty clear - he's dumping those low-skilled illegals in Palm Beach county because he needs them to staff those menial hospitality jobs at Mar-A-Lago. :lamo
 
The governor of Oregon, I believe, said they'd be welcome. I would welcome them to my town.

But really, they should be sent to counties who need vegetable pickers. They could probably use them.
I realize you're trying to be benevolent, and I can admire that.

But while data varies, I've seen data from 2017 that shows only 20% of the asylum seekers assigned cases eventually prevail. About a third are denied, and the rest either abandon their claims and/or their claims are closed administratively. Often the claimants in this last group simply fail to show in court.

So given the dismal numbers of only 20% becoming legal, why would you want that many eventual undocumented individuals in your locale?
 
Really? It's pretty clear - he's dumping those low-skilled illegals in Palm Beach county because he needs them to staff those menial hospitality jobs at Mar-A-Lago. :lamo
That thought occurred to me! :2razz:

But seriously, transporting asylum seekers to the interior of the country for the majority to disappear, is a ridiculous idea. The little research I've done, is showing the majority of asylum seekers do not prevail in their attempt at legality. So Trump is essentially injecting eventual undocumented aliens into the fabric of society.
 
I find your reply honest and certainly your points worth consideration. Although I don't agree completely with your final paragraph, in the end you many be right. I find your position completely defend-able and well thought out. I appreciate your insight.
Well, thank you. I'm sure much is indeed debatable, and I suspect you could do a pretty good job! :thumbs:

You know, if he just did E-Verify, I'd have more faith in him. All it takes is a simple E.O., to prove to me he's serious. E-Verify, and legit penalties against his big-business buddies. That would go a long way to getting me onboard with his immigration policies. I have no problem with a wall, if it's truly warranted. Hell, Obama built over 600 miles of wall!

My biggest problem with Trump though, is he walked away from the opportunity to lead the way for a long needed comprehensive immigration deal. We need a secure border. We need the DACA kids taken care of. And we need reform of the immigration laws, through legislation. We all agree on this.

The Dems offered a DACA-for-Wall, deal. It could have helped us all. Trump agreed, then reneged. And a golden opportunity was lost. He then shut-down the government, had a war with Pelosi, and lost any chance for substantive legislative/Congressional solutions for the rest of his term.

I don't like Trump. But he had the chance to lead and do a great thing. And I would have admired that. But he let the opportunity slip through his fingers, and now we have no wall (unsecured border), and no DACA fix. Just more fighting amongst ourselves, more divided than ever, with nothing positive getting done.
 
That thought occurred to me! :2razz:

But seriously, transporting asylum seekers to the interior of the country for the majority to disappear, is a ridiculous idea. The little research I've done, is showing the majority of asylum seekers do not prevail in their attempt at legality. So Trump is essentially injecting eventual undocumented aliens into the fabric of society.


Well yeah, Trump's ideas are ridiculous...and I was only half-joking.
 
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