Good thing Chicago has such strict gun laws

[tres borrachos]

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

A 22-year-old man was shot in the head in the Roseland neighborhood Tuesday afternoon, one of at least 12 people, including a Chicago Police captain and at least six teens as young as 14 years old, shot in Chicago since Tuesday morning, police said.

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

Yes, just ban and/or limit guns, and the problem is solved.

 

[LagerHead]

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

A 22-year-old man was shot in the head in the Roseland neighborhood Tuesday afternoon, one of at least 12 people, including a Chicago Police captain and at least six teens as young as 14 years old, shot in Chicago since Tuesday morning, police said.

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

Yes, just ban and/or limit guns, and the problem is solved.

Yea, but the problem is all the guns smuggled into the city from other places where the laws aren't so strict. So what we really need to do is ban guns nationwide and eliminate the problem just like we did with drugs.

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them, just like requiring me to fill out paperwork to get sudafed stopped the meth trade in its tracks.

Or we could require registration, because we all know that criminals will pop right in and register their guns. Or at the very least, they will stop stealing them because you registered them.

Did I miss any panacea ideas?

 

[American]

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

A 22-year-old man was shot in the head in the Roseland neighborhood Tuesday afternoon, one of at least 12 people, including a Chicago Police captain and at least six teens as young as 14 years old, shot in Chicago since Tuesday morning, police said.

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

Yes, just ban and/or limit guns, and the problem is solved.

Don't the perps know that guns aren't allowed? :naughty

 

[American]

Yea, but the problem is all the guns smuggled into the city from other places where the laws aren't so strict. So what we really need to do is ban guns nationwide and eliminate the problem just like we did with drugs.

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them, just like requiring me to fill out paperwork to get sudafed stopped the meth trade in its tracks.

Or we could require registration, because we all know that criminals will pop right in and register their guns. Or at the very least, they will stop stealing them because you registered them.

Did I miss any panacea ideas?

I think they should build a wall around Chicago...............................................................................................to protect the rest of us. :mrgreen:

 

[blackjack50]

Don't the perps know that guns aren't allowed? :naughty

Oh. I think we need an awareness campaign. Let them know that the guns aren't allowed. That will solve the problem. :\

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yea, but the problem is all the guns smuggled into the city from other places where the laws aren't so strict. So what we really need to do is ban guns nationwide and eliminate the problem just like we did with drugs.

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them, just like requiring me to fill out paperwork to get sudafed stopped the meth trade in its tracks.

Or we could require registration, because we all know that criminals will pop right in and register their guns. Or at the very least, they will stop stealing them because you registered them.

Did I miss any panacea ideas?

Like you did with drugs?

How's that war working out for you? The highest incarceration rate in the entire industrialized world, largely due to drug and drug related offenses along with the second most serious drug addiction problem behind Russia. By all reasoned observations the 'war of drugs' has been a massive failure.

Much of the United States already has tougher gun laws than Canada, there are already background checks in many regions, and still the murder/shooting/death rate climbs, incidents of mass slayings, especially in schools.

The war on drugs, especially on marijuana has been a complete failure, just as alcohol prohibition did in the 30's. The war on guns, second amendment be damned, is as failed as all of it. Sooner or later the country is going to have to accept there are no easy answers. The problem is cultural....and perhaps at this late trajectory unfixable.

But, one thing is certain. Bans do not work, if so Canada would have ten times the murder rate of the US.

 

[Fearandloathing]

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

A 22-year-old man was shot in the head in the Roseland neighborhood Tuesday afternoon, one of at least 12 people, including a Chicago Police captain and at least six teens as young as 14 years old, shot in Chicago since Tuesday morning, police said.

12 shot in city, including Chicago police captain

Yes, just ban and/or limit guns, and the problem is solved.

Yes they do...of course. [sarcasm font needed] For instance in Canada it is, I recently discovered, pretty easy to buy a gun, hand guns included. The main obstacle is not background, nor criminal past [unless there is previous violence involving a gun], but rather the handling and storage. All weapons must have trigger locks, be stored in a lock box of a certain standard AND in a separate, locked area - such as a small room of closet [my cousin converted an area beneath his stairs], and you have to pass a training course, all of which requires some cash, of course.

There are very strict regulations on automatic rifles, as in never, and some semi-automatics that look like assault rifles are very restricted.

There is no waiting period and anyone can buy ammunition any time, including department stores such a Canadian Tire, kind of our Walmart. By ratio, there are more gun owners in Canada than the US, as much of Canada is rural and people hunt, but not each other.

Based on that, the shooting rate should be ten times what it is in the US. Instead, it's less than a fraction.

 

[tres borrachos]

Don't the perps know that guns aren't allowed? :naughty

No they don't. Imagine that?

 

[tres borrachos]

Yea, but the problem is all the guns smuggled into the city from other places where the laws aren't so strict. So what we really need to do is ban guns nationwide and eliminate the problem just like we did with drugs.

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them, just like requiring me to fill out paperwork to get sudafed stopped the meth trade in its tracks.

Or we could require registration, because we all know that criminals will pop right in and register their guns. Or at the very least, they will stop stealing them because you registered them.

Did I miss any panacea ideas?

:mrgreen:

There you go. All good ideas. Get Eric Holden on the phone before he takes a cushy job as a Wall Street firm board member and run them by him.

 

[LagerHead]

Like you did with drugs?

How's that war working out for you? The highest incarceration rate in the entire industrialized world, largely due to drug and drug related offenses along with the second most serious drug addiction problem behind Russia. By all reasoned observations the 'war of drugs' has been a massive failure.

Ummm, sarcasm alert. I thought it was pretty obvious I was being sarcastic. I guess we really do need the SarcMark.

Much of the United States already has tougher gun laws than Canada, there are already background checks in many regions, and still the murder/shooting/death rate climbs, incidents of mass slayings, especially in schools.

First, there are background checks nationwide when you are purchasing from a dealer. New or used, doesn't matter. If it comes from a dealer, you get a background check.

Second, the incidents of mass shootings is not on the rise. Mother Jones was wrong. I know, shocker.

The war on drugs, especially on marijuana has been a complete failure, just as alcohol prohibition did in the 30's. The war on guns, second amendment be damned, is as failed as all of it. Sooner or later the country is going to have to accept there are no easy answers. The problem is cultural....and perhaps at this late trajectory unfixable.

But, one thing is certain. Bans do not work, if so Canada would have ten times the murder rate of the US.

Preaching to the choir, brother. But you need to pick a side on Canada. Does the U.S. have stricter gun laws or does Canada ban guns? The U.S. clearly does not ban them.

 

[blackjack50]

Maybe we should get a good community organizer to lead us on this?

 

[US Conservative]

Yes they do...of course. [sarcasm font needed] For instance in Canada it is, I recently discovered, pretty easy to buy a gun, hand guns included. The main obstacle is not background, nor criminal past [unless there is previous violence involving a gun], but rather the handling and storage. All weapons must have trigger locks, be stored in a lock box of a certain standard AND in a separate, locked area - such as a small room of closet [my cousin converted an area beneath his stairs], and you have to pass a training course, all of which requires some cash, of course.

There are very strict regulations on automatic rifles, as in never, and some semi-automatics that look like assault rifles are very restricted.

There is no waiting period and anyone can buy ammunition any time, including department stores such a Canadian Tire, kind of our Walmart. By ratio, there are more gun owners in Canada than the US, as much of Canada is rural and people hunt, but not each other.

Based on that, the shooting rate should be ten times what it is in the US. Instead, it's less than a fraction.

Are you suggesting its the Indian not the arrow?

 

[Jerry]

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them....

So if I sell my gun to a criminal, who runs the background check?

 

[TurtleDude]

So if I sell my gun to a criminal, who runs the background check?

the same guy who checks your prescription when you buy a nickel bag of crack from Leroy whose pharmacy is the corner of 15th and Liberty Avenue

 

[Jerry]

the same guy who checks your prescription when you buy a nickel bag of crack from Leroy whose pharmacy is the corner of 15th and Liberty Avenue

I read somewhere that a significant number of straw-purchases are performed by FFLs themselves. If that's true, then all these anti-gun sheep are running to the wolves for protection.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Yea, but the problem is all the guns smuggled into the city from other places where the laws aren't so strict. So what we really need to do is ban guns nationwide and eliminate the problem just like we did with drugs.

Or we could, at the very least, require background checks for all sales, which will stop criminals from acquiring them, just like requiring me to fill out paperwork to get sudafed stopped the meth trade in its tracks.

Or we could require registration, because we all know that criminals will pop right in and register their guns. Or at the very least, they will stop stealing them because you registered them.

Did I miss any panacea ideas?

Actually you did...

Don't forget the evil detachable box magazine that holds more than 10 rounds because its impossible to kill anything without one; or

the flash hider that conceals your location day or night making you invisible; or

the pistol grip stock that makes a marksman out of a novice; or

the sliding stock that allows you to conceal an entire M4 under a T-shirt.

Other than that, you're good.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

I read somewhere that a significant number of straw-purchases are performed by FFLs themselves. If that's true, then all these anti-gun sheep are running to the wolves for protection.

Oh, for a moment I thought you were referring to the straw purchases made by the Dept. of Justice that sent arms to drug cartels in Mexico. My bad...

 

[TurtleDude]

if the gun banning scumbags in office and their minions really wanted to punish criminals, they would be demanding harsher sentences for those who USE a firearm to PERPETRATE a felony. Rape someone with a roofie get 7 years, use a gun get 10 years. Rob a bank with a threatening note-get 8 years, point a gun at the teller-get 12, shoot at a bank guard or at a teller-15 and wound someone 25

but no, gun banners are not really about stopping crime. They are about harassing lawful gun owners

 

[US Conservative]

If that's true, then all these anti-gun sheep are running to the wolves for protection.

They already are running to the wolves for the protection.

 

[LagerHead]

So if I sell my gun to a criminal, who runs the background check?

Are you implying that someone who would willingly sell their gun to a criminal, which is a violation of the law, wouldn't dream of violating a law requiring a background check?

 

[Jerry]

Are you implying that someone who would willingly sell their gun to a criminal, which is a violation of the law, wouldn't dream of violating a law requiring a background check?

I'm trying to imagine how the street deal would go down. A straw purchase, for example....a person lies on ATF form 4473 saying they are buying the gun for themselves, they pass all such background checks, sell the gun illegally to someone, and if that person ever gets caught with the gun the buyer claims they took it without permission.

After the gun is bought from the FFL and the buyer wants to illegally sell the gun, who stops them and performs a background check?

 

[Fearandloathing]

Are you suggesting its the Indian not the arrow?

who me?

 

[LagerHead]

I'm trying to imagine how the street deal would go down. A straw purchase, for example....a person lies on ATF form 4473 saying they are buying the gun for themselves, they pass all such background checks, sell the gun illegally to someone, and if that person ever gets caught with the gun the buyer claims they took it without permission.

After the gun is bought from the FFL and the buyer wants to illegally sell the gun, who stops them and performs a background check?

Ah, I see. You didn't catch my sarcasm either. My suggestion was stated sarcastically. You know, background checks would stop criminals from acquiring guns in the same way that registration for sudafed has stopped the meth trade, i.e. it hasn't.