Good Cop Bad Cop

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This thread is going to be for a new series of articles, videos, and other stories about the good and bad actions taken by our public officials. That may primarily be police, hence the title, but I will look at other public servants too, judges, teachers, local politicians, etc.

Anyone is welcome to share their own good or bad story, or just to comment on the ones I post.

Unfortunately today, I'm going to start off the thread with a bad cop. I'm starting here because it's a feel good bad cop story. That is, at least some consequences happened to this bad cop. It happens too often they do terrible shit and get away with it because of qualified immunity or an uncaring department, and that's a feels bad bad cop story.

Anyway, in this story, a big mature cop violently shoves a kid across a gas station floor. 100% unnecessary force, let alone excessive. Excessive force requires some force to be necessary on the first place. It wasn't here. All the kid did was ask for his phone back.

Skip to 2:45 to skip intro talking and sponsorship.

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This is not a first time thing for him, it's a first time enough people cared thing. I don't think 10 days unpaid suspension was enough for the shoving incident, let alone everything else he's done.

 

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My first good cop story is a little older, but still one of my favorites.

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Columbia County Sheriff's Office chases down a kidnapper and rescues the victim.

The criminal complaint states the victim reported Wagner kept telling her “I am saving you, they want to kill you.”

She claimed Wagner told her both her husband and child were already dead, adding, "If your husband was worried about you, he would be calling but he's not because he's dead."



This is a feel good one all around. Good job officers. Haven't been able to find much in the way of updates, no plea or trial that I could find, so I expect it's a mental health thing and he's in jail/hospitals trying to become competent.

 

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There are actually two bad cops in the first video. The main officer who goes hands on hard for no reason, obviously, but also this guy circled in red. He had just watched his Sgt. do that and didn't immediately arrest him or question him or call superiors or even protest the crimes he just witnessed being committed. Just a whatever normal Tuesday attitude. No punishment either. Bad Cop.

 

[MamboDervish]

I'll just toss this into the mix. I view it as an ultimate good cop story because of the effort and the results. On Saturday June 14th, a madman shot two Minnesota law makers and their spouses, killing two and severely injuring two others. What ensued was a massive man hunt for the perpetrator which included local, state, and federal law enforcement, historically a logistical nightmare requiring enormous communication and cooperation between all those LE branches, including SWAT teams from different jurisdictions. It led to the apprehension of the suspect in just a couple of days, with no one else being injured, and the perpetrator still alive and in custody. This was the best of all possible outcomes.

Sometimes we get it right.

 

[Questerr]

The only “good cop” video I want to see is one where a bad cop violates a citizen’s rights and then is immediately put in cuffs by one of his coworkers.

 

[venice_ca]

Um, LAPD anyone?

In 2021, after the 2020 protests around the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, Sacramento passed laws regarding proper crowd control procedures, and use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds. Also, law enforcement is not to interfere with journalists covering protests.

FTA:

“The laws state that crowd dispersal weapons can only be used when there is a clear threat to officers or bystanders, not solely to disperse crowds. Their use is supposed to follow clear warnings from law enforcement officers, from multiple locations and in multiple languages when possible.

A federal court order stemming from litigation after the 2020 protests imposes similar restrictions on LAPD.”

As you may guess, procedures were not always followed.

Not mentioned in the article are the multi million dollar lawsuit settlements stemming from actions in 2020 by the LAPD and LASD.

LAPD protest response breaks California law, civil rights lawyers say

LAist reporters witnessed LAPD officers firing less-lethal munitions into crowds and taunting protestors from a helicopter. State law and a federal court order restrict the use of crowd dispersal weapons unless specific criteria are met.

laist.com

FYI LAist is both the name for the public radio station out of Pasadena City College (formerly called KPCC 89.3 FM), and the website LAist, previously an outlet for independent journalism which dealt with LA matters, and when failing, purchased by KPCC to complement their on air reporting.

 

[bomberfox]

Good cop. I personally witnessed this which made being tear gassed kinda worth it lol.

Officers take knee to show solidarity with protesters after tear gas in Beavercreek

Hundreds of people gather for protest in Beavercreek, where police deploy tear gas to clear intersection and at least five officers take a knee to show solidarity with crowd.

www.daytondailynews.com

 

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Um, LAPD anyone?

In 2021, after the 2020 protests around the killings of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor, Sacramento passed laws regarding proper crowd control procedures, and use of tear gas, rubber bullets, and bean bag rounds. Also, law enforcement is not to interfere with journalists covering protests.

FTA:

“The laws state that crowd dispersal weapons can only be used when there is a clear threat to officers or bystanders, not solely to disperse crowds. Their use is supposed to follow clear warnings from law enforcement officers, from multiple locations and in multiple languages when possible.

A federal court order stemming from litigation after the 2020 protests imposes similar restrictions on LAPD.”

As you may guess, procedures were not always followed.

Not mentioned in the article are the multi million dollar lawsuit settlements stemming from actions in 2020 by the LAPD and LASD.

LAPD protest response breaks California law, civil rights lawyers say

LAist reporters witnessed LAPD officers firing less-lethal munitions into crowds and taunting protestors from a helicopter. State law and a federal court order restrict the use of crowd dispersal weapons unless specific criteria are met.

laist.com

FYI LAist is both the name for the public radio station out of Pasadena City College (formerly called KPCC 89.3 FM), and the website LAist, previously an outlet for independent journalism which dealt with LA matters, and when failing, purchased by KPCC to complement their on air reporting.

LAPD for sure has their fair share of bad cop moments even up to this day with the current protests. But they've had their heroes too. I remember the North Hollywood shootout.

 

[bomberfox]

Like if you know how to de escalate things, its much more effective at restoring order.

 

[venice_ca]

More troubling actions by LAPD towards journalists since June 6.

As of June 17, 36+ incidents of police abuse of journalists have been documented. The article gives six examples, plus mentions CNN journalists being taken away from the protest, detained but not arrested.

Press group sues LA, alleging police abuse of reporters at ICE rallies

The Los Angeles Press Club says police officers repeatedly used "less-lethal" bullets and violated the constitutional rights of reporters covering anti-ICE protests.

laist.com

What looms over press coverage of protests is the death of LA Times journalist and news director of Spanish language TV station KMEX Ruben Salazar, shot and killed by a tear gas canister fired into a bar by a deputy with the LA County Sheriff’s Department. Salazar was covering the Chicano Moratorium protest in East Los Angeles — a large national event against the Viet Nam war. He had stopped at a bar for a beer and to escape the violence when a deputy fired the tear gas canister into the structure, against department guidelines, and for no apparent reason since there was no violence there. Salazar was an outspoken advocate for the Chicano community, and to this day there is debate as to whether he was intentionally targeted by the Sheriff’s Department.

Ruben Salazar - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

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This clip pissed me off when I first saw it, and the newly released deposition is just as bad.

Here's a Mississippi officer on duty who can't recall what the 1st or 4th amendments of the constitution are. He treats the public with disdain and his duty as just a license to bully.

That's just the first 4 minutes of a 37 minute video.

 

[MamboDervish]

This clip pissed me off when I first saw it, and the newly released deposition is just as bad.

Here's a Mississippi officer on duty who can't recall what the 1st or 4th amendments of the constitution are. He treats the public with disdain and his duty as just a license to bully.

That's just the first 4 minutes of a 37 minute video.

Yeah .... I didn't need to sit through more than 4 minutes of this to see that the officer is an arrogant scumbag who thinks his badge makes him the law, rather than obligating him to enforce it. By definition, his real job is to protect the rights of the person he's trying to chase away!

It would be nice if every time these kinds of tactics were used to suppress our Bill of Rights, the municipality would be deluged with emails, correspondence, and press generating enough public pressure to, at the very minimum, force their law enforcement officers to become educated as to the legal extent of their power, and reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. Alas, too much to ask in Trump's America.

 

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Yeah .... I didn't need to sit through more than 4 minutes of this to see that the officer is an arrogant scumbag who thinks his badge makes him the law, rather than obligating him to enforce it. By definition, his real job is to protect the rights of the person he's trying to chase away!

It would be nice if every time these kinds of tactics were used to suppress our Bill of Rights, the municipality would be deluged with emails, correspondence, and press generating enough public pressure to, at the very minimum, force their law enforcement officers to become educated as to the legal extent of their power, and reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. Alas, too much to ask in Trump's America.

"This isn't some free will state, this is how it is in the state of Mississippi."

"This" being government goons can run you off public sidewalks for speech alone or arrest you if you stay, and they'll arrest you for not showing papers when it isn't required by law. He literally seems to think a "lawful order" is anything that comes out of his mouth, and that his word is law. His answer to all real questions of basic law that even a police officer should know is "I'm not a lawyer."

Holy ****ing shit.

 

[Peter]

This clip pissed me off when I first saw it, and the newly released deposition is just as bad.

Here's a Mississippi officer on duty who can't recall what the 1st or 4th amendments of the constitution are. He treats the public with disdain and his duty as just a license to bully.

That's just the first 4 minutes of a 37 minute video.

If that guy isn’t fired for that deposition then I have no idea what standards exist for police in that area.
He clearly doesn’t know the law and doesn’t care to learn it.

 

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@Bodi

This thread is for you too.

 

[Bodi]

GOOD COP

 

[Bodi]

BAD COP

 

[Bodi]

STUPID COP

She thinks that you have to have a Drivers License for that state in order to drive in that state. LOL What a moron.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Yeah .... I didn't need to sit through more than 4 minutes of this to see that the officer is an arrogant scumbag who thinks his badge makes him the law, rather than obligating him to enforce it. By definition, his real job is to protect the rights of the person he's trying to chase away!

It would be nice if every time these kinds of tactics were used to suppress our Bill of Rights, the municipality would be deluged with emails, correspondence, and press generating enough public pressure to, at the very minimum, force their law enforcement officers to become educated as to the legal extent of their power, and reaffirm their oath to uphold the Constitution. Alas, too much to ask in Trump's America.

"Law enforcement stuff...."

"I can't remember.."

"I don't recall"

The latter in response to "did you take an oath..."

If he cannot recall his oath he is no longer qualified to be a police officer!

His arrogance alone should get him 5 years.

Cops like him give cops a bad name....and I remain grateful we are policed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.......

He wouldn't last 4 minutes in "the league"...his fellow Mounties would make him a pet. "Sit! Stay!"

 

[MamboDervish]

"Law enforcement stuff...."

"I can't remember.."

"I don't recall"

The latter in response to "did you take an oath..."

If he cannot recall his oath he is no longer qualified to be a police officer!

His arrogance alone should get him 5 years.

Cops like him give cops a bad name....and I remain grateful we are policed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.......

He wouldn't last 4 minutes in "the league"...his fellow Mounties would make him a pet. "Sit! Stay!"

Long live the RCMP.

 

[Bodi]

CRIMINAL COP

 

[Peter]

"Law enforcement stuff...."

"I can't remember.."

"I don't recall"

The latter in response to "did you take an oath..."

If he cannot recall his oath he is no longer qualified to be a police officer!

His arrogance alone should get him 5 years.

Cops like him give cops a bad name....and I remain grateful we are policed by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.......

He wouldn't last 4 minutes in "the league"...his fellow Mounties would make him a pet. "Sit! Stay!"

If you acted like that at a work disciplinary meeting I'm pretty sure you'd be fired instantly.
It's like he doesn't give a single shit about his job and has zero intention to change or improve.

 

[Bodi]

BAD COP

What an asshole this guy is.

 

[Bodi]

BAD COP

Steals kids bike and taunts him with it.

 

[Peter]

Good cop.