conserv.pat15
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conserv.pat15 said:I think that the founding fathers did NOT intend to keep God out of the government. God should be in the Pledge, Nativity scenes should be legal in government buildings, and the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be displayed in government buildings. There is nothing in the constitution that bans these types of things.
conserv.pat15 said:I think that the founding fathers did NOT intend to keep God out of the government. God should be in the Pledge, Nativity scenes should be legal in government buildings, and the Ten Commandments should be allowed to be displayed in government buildings. There is nothing in the constitution that bans these types of things.
AndrewC said:I don't think the concept of a God should be part of our government. I feel it belittles non-christian ideals and beliefs.
alex said:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof
If our founding fathers wanted "god" involved in our government, then why wasn't that stated or merely implied in the Constitution?
M14 Shooter said:The establishment Clause was meant to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. The Founders came from a country that had seen great problems rise from the practice of having a State Religion, and they wanted to prevent the same from happening here.
General references to God by the government do not create a state religion, nor do they keep anyone from practicing their religion as they please. An Atheist may very well be offended by the words "under God" in the Pledge -- but it must be remembered that while you do have the right to practice your religion as you see fit, you do not have the right to be free from being offended.
M14 Shooter said:The establishment Clause was meant to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government. The Founders came from a country that had seen great problems rise from the practice of having a State Religion, and they wanted to prevent the same from happening here.
General references to God by the government do not create a state religion, nor do they keep anyone from practicing their religion as they please. An Atheist may very well be offended by the words "under God" in the Pledge -- but it must be remembered that while you do have the right to practice your religion as you see fit, you do not have the right to be free from being offended.
conserv.pat15 said:Correct!
The establishment clause is meant to keep the government from establishing a state religion. Also, the fact that God is mentioned in the Declaration of Independance(which came before the constitution) proves that it was not intended to keep God out of the government.
M14 Shooter said:Doesnt abolishing God from every aspect of government 'belittle' Christian ideals and beliefs?
alex said:The Declaration of Independence is just that, a declaration. It is not law. Our Constitution is law and does not contain anything that states religion should be included in government. It does do even imply it.
conserv.pat15 said:Where in the Constitution does it say that religion can not be in the government? All it says is that the government can not establish a state religion. Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution anywhere!
conserv.pat15 said:Where in the Constitution does it say that religion can not be in the government? All it says is that the government can not establish a state religion. Separation of Church and State is not in the Constitution anywhere!
Engimo said:The government cannot "respect an establishment of religion". That means that the government cannot endorse any religion - says the interpretation of the Supreme Court.
Stace said:You've obviously never read the Danbury Baptist Church letters, have you?
Here's a site to get you started:
http://www.usconstitution.net/jeffwall.html
conserv.pat15 said:I think you are misinterpreting the establishment clause. The establishment clause is there to keep the government from saying a particular religion is now the religion of the country.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]In general, the Court has demonstrated a willingness to strike down any practices that might be likely to be perceived either as coercive or as a state endorsement of religion.[/SIZE][/FONT]
conserv.pat15 said:Can you show me where the exact phrase "separation of Church and State" appears in the Constitution?
Engimo said:No one is claiming that the exact phrase appears in the Constitution. The principle of Separation of Church and State is contained within the Establishment Clause.
alex said:This would be a great response, but it has one big flaw. If the founding fathers meant for religion to be in government, then why exclude it from our Constitution?
Engimo said:No, I think that you are. The Supreme Court sides with me on this one, sorry.
http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/estabinto.htm
conserv.pat15 said:The Supreme Court can also be wrong and is not perfect... if they were perfect, then past decisions would never be overturned. But decisions have been overturned.
Engimo said:Why do Christians feel they have an inherent right to be included in the government. Not all of the country is Christian, you know.
Engimo said:So? Until you can show a valid reason as to why the Establishment Clause does not prohibit government endorsement of religion, I think I'm going to take about 100 years of Supreme Court rulings over your opinion on the matter.
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