You may
That is false...Although I know how you liberals take the NYTimes as Gospel itself, they lied here:
"The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.
It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.
A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed's face -- not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment."
Despite Reports, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Not Waterboarded 183 Times | Fox News
They were effective enough that KSM started giving classes to CIA after he was, as he put it, freed from his obligation to remain silent....
Yes MMC's comments did make sense. He was talking about the PC on steroids promoted on the left side of the aisle that has resulted in some folks not looking at things clearly. Not enough were willing to speak out against it and now we have a bunch of folks sympathizing with the enemy.
We are seeing the media being used as a propaganda machine to promote it. We are seeing Democrats through their decision to release the damn report comprised of third party persons that is putting our allies, and people who work for the CIA and our informants at risk. Even though Democrats almost unanimously supported the forms being used by the CIA through 39 friggin meetings where they were informed of the procedures they were being used on a limited number of detainees. Now all of a sudden Feinstein has a problem but didn't during all 39 briefings. In fact several Democrats words at the time were "do whatever it takes". Feinstein and other Democrats also have no problem using drones to target these terrorists which often kills a lot of innocent people along with our on the ground intelligent iinformers.
And this OP along with this new found decision to release the report while they do a kabookie dance unable to justify their own previous support is occurring while Obama just released more Gitmo prisoners and the media failed to cover it.
Hello Huston we have a problem, and it isn't the CIA.
No, but at some point, say after waterboard #73, a reasonable person might conclude that the process isn't working with this guy.
Maybe try a different tack?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't KSM waterboarded several years after his capture?
What vital info would he be able to divulge at that point in time?
Actually he gave the name of the personal courier that OBL used...That led after observation to OBL.
If waterboarding is that horrible (I don't know, I've never been waterboarded), it's hard to believe it took 180+ times to get him to talk. I'd only have to be tortured once to talk.
I wonder how many would put that to a test with one of their family members. After they were kidnapped and tortured.
Interesting.. So you can't answer the question. I'll ask it again, it's pretty simple.
Why did the propagandists in WWII try to convince their own troops that the enemy would abuse and torture prisoners; and why did those same propagandists try to convince enemy troops that they would be well treated as prisoners?
Interesting.. So you can't answer the question. I'll ask it again, it's pretty simple.
Why did the propagandists in WWII try to convince their own troops that the enemy would abuse and torture prisoners; and why did those same propagandists try to convince enemy troops that they would be well treated as prisoners?
Sorry, I thought that was someone else.
On point, I will say, I don't know if I consider waterboarding to be "torture"... But, I think it comes close enough to the line as to make it not preferable to use...That said, in extraordinary circumstances, all bets are off...
Golly....thanks!You may
Well, I know how you cons take Fox News as gospel, but their rebuttal seems to state that KSM was subjected to "waterboard lite" instead of the real deal.:shrug:
Do tell.They were effective enough that KSM started giving classes to CIA after he was, as he put it, freed from his obligation to remain silent....
I have no opinion either way (is it torture or not). And I was never waterboarded so I don't have any personal experience. I just know if something was so horrible that it's called torture, I can't imagine any human willingly going along with it over 180 times, and I would suspect that he was told that if he sang like a canary, the torture would stop.
Interesting.
Hey, tres.Wasn't it KSM who provided the information on the compound that enabled the Seals to go in and capture Bin Laden?
Golly....thanks!
Well, I know how you cons take Fox News as gospel, but their rebuttal seems to state that KSM was subjected to "waterboard lite" instead of the real deal.:shrug:
Do tell.
If I read this right, KSM is now a CIA asset?
Strange bedfellows, eh?.....or maybe not so strange.
Amazing that this putz KSM is still alive.
Weak-kneed Liberal Arts major.. I'd only have to be tortured once to talk.
Hey, tres.
I've heard this stated and I've heard it debunked.
Since KSM was captured in 2003, I'm not understanding what info he could have given that led to Bin Laden in 2011.
Hey, tres.
I've heard this stated and I've heard it debunked.
Since KSM was captured in 2003, I'm not understanding what info he could have given that led to Bin Laden in 2011.
Weak-kneed Liberal Arts major.
I stopped reading at "PC."
:lol: Doesn't surprise me one bit! Cause you are a Political Correct kind of guy! It's the ideology that has taken over America goes most commonly by the name of “Political Correctness.” Some people see it as a joke. It is not. It is deadly serious. It seeks to alter virtually all the rules, formal and informal, that govern relations among people and institutions. It wants to change behavior, thought, even the words we use. To a significant extent, it already has. Whoever or whatever controls language also controls thought. Nuff said.
Hey MMC.Heya Radioman. :2wave: Didn't CIA say that the information led to the courier and from there they were able to set him up for the take down?
See there?HAHAHAHAHHAH!!!! Stop....!!
Hey MMC.
The CIA says lots of things.
Like any gov't bureaucracy, they divulge info---maybe true, maybe not--- and spin that info to make themselves look good.
See there?
You've already caved.
Hey MMC.
The CIA says lots of things.
Like any gov't bureaucracy, they divulge info---maybe true, maybe not--- and spin that info to make themselves look good.
I don't know..... Why did they do this. Lets here your take on this ****.
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