Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

JUG · Dec 11, 2014

I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com

tres borrachos · Dec 11, 2014

Pornography?

This is torture?

whysoserious · Dec 11, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Pornography?

This is torture?

Really? This is torture:

Each session begins with shouting, to wake me up. Then they hit me on the face and the back. I am so desperate for sleep, my head is swimming. There are photographs of faces stuck all around the walls of this room. They demand that I identify the individuals, but I can barely focus to see if I might know them. The shouting and the insults get louder, and then they nod to a man in the corner. He injects me twice in the arm with some unknown substance. It's the last thing I know.

The freezing cold cell. The cell door opens. This time the guards enter, making awful honking noises, like wild animals.

I tried to refuse to eat the little food they bring me, in protest at all this. The interrogator laughs at me, but then turns angry; he swears loudly, and pours an army meal pack over my head. They tell the man in the corner to start feeding me intravenously. He inserts the tube in two different places on my arm and makes it bleed.

Closing Guantanamo: Who's left and what's in the way

The freezing cold cell. The cell door opens. This time the guards push me on the floor and take turns trampling over my back.

Now it's the pornography room. Awful pictures everywhere. There is one with a man and a donkey. I'm stripped naked and have my beard shaved, in a gratuitous insult to my religion. I'm shown pornographic pictures of women. I'm told to make the noises of different animals, and when I refuse, they just hit me. It ends with them pouring cold water all over me.

Hours later in my cell, I am discovered, nearly frozen. The doctor tells them to bring me urgently to the clinic, where I am given a blanket and treatment. Over the next hours, they observe me as I warm up. They are just waiting for the moment that they can sign off on my return to interrogation.

What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????

DaveFagan · Dec 11, 2014

JUG said:
I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com

Guantanamo is leased from Cuba, ergo not US Territory. You're in Criminal Justice so you must know that no evidence obtained through torture is admissable in US Courts. As an example, if they tried KSM, a genuine scumbag, in a Stateside Court all evidence would be thrown out as fruit of a tainted tree because he was waterboarded 83 times or more. So he is tried by a military tribunal and he'll definitely be found guilty. Now, Khaled Sheik Mohammed is a genuine piece of crap, but does the USA represent the justice it so proudly declares in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all," or does it represent kangaroo Courts. You are in a good position to make an informed decision.

tres borrachos · Dec 11, 2014

whysoserious said:
Really? This is torture:

What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????

Did you just call me a psychopath?

whysoserious · Dec 11, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Did you just call me a psychopath?

I don't recall directly naming you. Are you upset by that, though?

TheDemSocialist · Dec 11, 2014

It absolutely does

WCH · Dec 11, 2014

We've heard this crap from ones who were released and returned to their terrorist ways.

Behead him and get it over with. 8)

tres borrachos · Dec 11, 2014

whysoserious said:
I don't recall directly naming you. Are you upset by that, though?

I'm not stupid. You quoted my post and posted that. I don't post to people who post wholly ignorant, rude and out of line posts, as you just did. Don't post to me again.

whysoserious · Dec 11, 2014

tres borrachos said:
I'm not stupid. You quoted my post and posted that. I don't post to people who post wholly ignorant, rude and out of line posts, as you just did. Don't post to me again.

What's ignorant?

1) Reading that a person was injected with an unknown substance; kept in a small, cold cell without any clothing to keep warm; deprived of sleep; denied due process; slapped; force fed; interrogated for hours; subjected to odd pornography; forcibly shaved; stepped on; hit; pushed to the point of hypothermia; etc and then saying "pornography is torture now?"
2) Reading the above and wondering if that person is sane?

You're right, I'm out of line. Make it a great one. It will be a pleasure never having to talk to you again.

WCH · Dec 11, 2014

You contend it's US territory and Cuba says it's theirs.

It's a US base not a territory.

Declan · Dec 11, 2014

DaveFagan said:
Guantanamo is leased from Cuba, ergo not US Territory. You're in Criminal Justice so you must know that no evidence obtained through torture is admissable in US Courts. As an example, if they tried KSM, a genuine scumbag, in a Stateside Court all evidence would be thrown out as fruit of a tainted tree because he was waterboarded 83 times or more. So he is tried by a military tribunal and he'll definitely be found guilty. Now, Khaled Sheik Mohammed is a genuine piece of crap, but does the USA represent the justice it so proudly declares in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all," or does it represent kangaroo Courts. You are in a good position to make an informed decision.

it wouldn't be the first time that the gubbermint moved someone around just to steal jurisdiction from a court that was about to hand down unfavorable rulings for Uncle Sam to start the process over until they got a judge they liked.

Lutherf · Dec 11, 2014

JUG said:
I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com

Prissy congresswomen who exploit this stuff and rail against the civility of this nation shame the flag.

Hamster Buddha · Dec 11, 2014

DaveFagan said:
Guantanamo is leased from Cuba, ergo not US Territory. You're in Criminal Justice so you must know that no evidence obtained through torture is admissable in US Courts. As an example, if they tried KSM, a genuine scumbag, in a Stateside Court all evidence would be thrown out as fruit of a tainted tree because he was waterboarded 83 times or more. So he is tried by a military tribunal and he'll definitely be found guilty. Now, Khaled Sheik Mohammed is a genuine piece of crap, but does the USA represent the justice it so proudly declares in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all," or does it represent kangaroo Courts. You are in a good position to make an informed decision.

Giving rights to enemies now? Great idea... :roll:

Hamster Buddha · Dec 11, 2014

WCH said:
You contend it's US territory and Cuba says it's theirs.

It's a US base not a territory.

There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.

Hamster Buddha · Dec 11, 2014

whysoserious said:
Really? This is torture:

What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????

It's pathetic that this is what we call "torture", and denegrates people who were REALLY tortured in the past, including those at Abu Ghraib where it went much further to physical forms and such. Peopel aren't dying from these techniques (at least they shouldn't, if they do, then people need to answer for that of course). Ultimately, we did get information from these sessions. I don't understand why this is any issue when our enemies are chopping off heads...

Lutherf · Dec 11, 2014

Hamster Buddha said:
There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.

Actually, it would be German law that would determine his eligibility for German citizenship. He's an American citizen because his parents are American citizens.

whysoserious · Dec 11, 2014

Hamster Buddha said:
It's pathetic that this is what we call "torture", and denegrates people who were REALLY tortured in the past, including those at Abu Ghraib where it went much further to physical forms and such. Peopel aren't dying from these techniques (at least they shouldn't, if they do, then people need to answer for that of course). Ultimately, we did get information from these sessions. I don't understand why this is any issue when our enemies are chopping off heads...

People literally did die... but ok. If it's not torture, you do it for a few months.

apdst · Dec 11, 2014

whysoserious said:
Really? This is torture:

What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????

Awful honking noises, too? Oh, the horror!

WCH · Dec 11, 2014

Hamster Buddha said:
There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.

Military has their own law which is why the detainees are there there.

I too have a friend who was born in Germany on a post. He said it was a bitch getting his American citizenship correct.

joko104 · Dec 11, 2014

tres borrachos said:
Pornography?

This is torture?

Isolated in a cage and alone? I could see how it could be quite frustrating.

DaveFagan · Dec 11, 2014

Hamster Buddha said:
Giving rights to enemies now? Great idea... :roll:

Well, you can say "Liberty and justice for all,"
or you can say "Liberty and justice for just a few."
Pick one.
I should make a note that if it's just for a few, I would
guess the few to be the top .01%, because when justice
is select that is what happens. Wait, didn't a bunch of the
top .01% banks just get caught breaking laws and got
fined billions of dollars without any criminal prosecutions.
Maybe it already is "Liberty and justice for a few" already.

apdst · Dec 11, 2014

whysoserious said:
People literally did die... but ok. If it's not torture, you do it for a few months.

Who died?

WCH · Dec 11, 2014

apdst said:
Awful honking noises, too? Oh, the horror!

Sleeping with ducks is HELL>

WCH · Dec 11, 2014

apdst said:
Who died?

IIRC, one terrorist POS died.

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