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Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexit

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Worse than the Soviet Union? Hilarious. Perhaps, borderline disgusting. Obviously these people are not historians.

By the way, using the BBC as a source is not a very good idea in a thread wherein multiple people have outlined the UK is the antagonist force in the Brexit Crisis. But... by all means, keep digging the hole you've created.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
Worse than the Soviet Union? Hilarious. Obviously these people are not historians. By all means, keep digging the hole you've created.
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Take it up with the Russians who offered the assessment.

"Aggressive and deceptive propaganda... worse than anything I witnessed in the Soviet Union," is the verdict of Lev Gudkov, the director of the Levada Centre, Russia's most well respected polling organisation.
Image copyrightGETTY IMAGESImage captionA military parade passes posters of Lenin and Stalin in Moscow, 1947Cultural historian and publisher Irina Prokhorova goes further - she calls it "Stalinist", reminiscent of the anti-Western hysteria which marked the grim repressive years of the late 1940s.
 
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You've failed to counter my updated post, and thus, failed to counter my post.
 
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Abbazorkzog said:
You've failed to counter my updated post, and thus, failed to counter my post.
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June 6 2014 was well before Brexit.
 
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Jack Hays said:
I'll take that as a concession regarding Russian propaganda.
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Modern-day Russia is not worse than the Soviet Union (what you are obviously insinuating). What planet are you living on?
 
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The reason why the EU may well go down the drain is for the same reason that Washington and those on his side in the Constitutional Convention chose a strong federal government over a weak confederation, for in a weak confederation, there's much less loyalty or fiduciary incentive to preserve the whole (and is significantly less able to defend itself against attack). The EU was in several respects much like our nation was before the Constitutional Convention - the sovereignty of the states was to many people more important than the nation as a whole. So it is with the EU - the different sovereign nations are each pulling for their own best interests, and so it's much more difficult for them to hang together.
 
Re: Germany fears EU to go ‘DOWN THE DRAIN’ if UK 'keeps the nice things' after Brexi

Abbazorkzog said:
Modern-day Russia is not worse than the Soviet Union (what you are obviously insinuating). What planet are you living on?
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Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.
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We get it, you hate Russia. That has no bearing on the thread indicative therein (of which you are still blatantly off-topic for your own ulterior motives), or the people discussing it (whom you have utterly failed to convince otherwise). Now that that is understood, are ready to get back on topic, or - if you wish to continue to push said ulterior motive - there is a button at the top of the forum 'labelled' 'POST NEW THREAD'.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Take it up with the Russian who made the comparison. I don't think Russia is any better or worse than the Soviet Union. It's the same unfree thug state it was then.
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If you honestly think Russia is the same as it was back when it was the Soviet Union.....


It's not. And operating like it is only leads to trouble.

The problem with listening to dissidents too much is that you forget that's what they are. Dissidents. By their nature they are going to exaggerate. Case in point--- comparing Putin to Stalinism.
 
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We are in agreement. Russia is substantially weaker than was the Soviet Union (to the world's great benefit). The "worse than the Soviet Union" assessment concerned only propaganda.
 
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The start of the break-up | The Economist

Aug 6, 2016 ... What do other countries make of Brexit? ... even more exposed to the whims of the Kremlin, which routinely makes aggressive gestures in their direction, ... By contrastRussia is delighted by the prospect of a weaker Europe.
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Jack Hays said:
We are in agreement. Russia is substantially weaker than was the Soviet Union (to the world's great benefit). The "worse than the Soviet Union" assessment concerned only propaganda.
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Well, the Soviet Union was a superpower. Of course Russia is going to be weaker then it was. It only makes sense.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Well, the Soviet Union was a superpower. Of course Russia is going to be weaker then it was. It only makes sense.
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What makes you think the Russian who described Russian propaganda as worse than that of the Soviet Union is a dissident?

[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/h]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lev_Gudkov


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Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov is a Russian sociologist, director of the analytical Levada Center and editor-in-chief of the journal The Russian Public Opinion Herald.‎Scientific activity · ‎Work at the Levada Center · ‎Publications · ‎References



[h=3]Eurozine - Lev Gudkov[/h]www.eurozine.com/authors/gudkov.html


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Russia is degenerating into a police state, society has descended into poverty, and the country is becoming increasingly isolated, writes Lev Gudkov. Worse still: ...


[h=3]Lev Gudkov - Stanford University[/h]web.stanford.edu/group/Russia20/gudkov_b.htm


Stanford University


Dr. Lev Dmitrievich Gudkov, a sociologist, heads the Department of Social and Political Studies at the All-Russian Center for the Study of Public Opinion ...





 
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Because he made a statement which at best is a wild exaggeration?
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Because he made a statement which at best is a wild exaggeration?
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He's a highly respected sociologist and a senior academic official.
 
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Jack Hays said:
He's a highly respected sociologist and a senior academic official.
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Your allowed to be that and a dissident, you know.

Plus sociology as a whole seems somewhat sketchy in my book. There's a guy whose always quoting from some textbook to argue that African Americans are oppressed on this site....
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Your allowed to be that and a dissident, you know.

Plus sociology as a whole seems somewhat sketchy in my book. There's a guy whose always quoting from some textbook to argue that African Americans are oppressed on this site....
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Hmmm. You realize he holds a senior academic position in Russia? He's no dissident; he's an official academic.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Hmmm. You realize he holds a senior academic position in Russia? He's no dissident; he's an official academic.
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Probably not for much longer if he keeps going around making comparisons like that. Stalinist they aren't, but unfriendly to criticism? That fits current Russia to a T.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
Probably not for much longer if he keeps going around making comparisons like that. Stalinist they aren't, but unfriendly to criticism? That fits current Russia to a T.
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He made the quoted statement in 2014 and he's still in his position.
 
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Jack Hays said:
He made the quoted statement in 2014 and he's still in his position.
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That's odd then......

Especially if things had reached Stalinist levels in reality, ironically enough.
 
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Tigerace117 said:
That's odd then......

Especially if things had reached Stalinist levels in reality, ironically enough.
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He did not say the society was Stalinist. He said propaganda about Ukraine was worse than during the USSR.
 
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If the EU keeps pushing, the British should treat the EU as much of an enemy as the Third Reich.
 
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Jack Hays said:
Continuing Russian propaganda.
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Continuing to ignore the obvious neo-nazi influence in Ukraine... and for the record, Russian expanding into Ukraine is wrong.
 
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