Georgetown under fire for honoring Sydney Wilson, former player who slashed cop with knife in fatal shooting (1 Viewer)

[Ahlevah]

I'm still trying to process this one. There are at least half-a-dozen possible discussions available here, including how not to do a welfare check on a suspected mental patient:

The Georgetown women’s basketball team has been criticized by some for a Sept. 20 tweet mourning former player Sydney Wilson’s death at the age of 33, after video recently emerged showing Wilson was shot on Sept. 16 by a Fairfax County (Va.) police officer after slashing him with a knife.

The tweet features a photo of Wilson in her Georgetown uniform and states: “Georgetown women’s basketball mourns the tragic loss of Sydney Wilson (C’13). Forever a Hoya

Georgetown under fire for honoring Sydney Wilson, former player who slashed cop with knife in fatal shooting

Wilson played for the Hoyas from 2010-13. She appeared in 31 games in her senior season and averaged 6.5 points per game.

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[Ahlevah]

Fairfax County Police released the officer's bodycam video a couple of days ago. The Halloween movie starts about 3:45 into the video. You know something bad is going to happen after the music starts:

***WARNING: EXTREME GRAPHIC CONTENT!***

 

[phoenix2020]

That’s horrible. I hope the officer is recovering. There was a lot of blood in that footage.

 

[Ahlevah]

Now, what I want to know is does anyone have a problem with the Hoyas making an innocuous tweet mentioning the death of a former player? Was the commentary added by X appropriate or necessary, and should the university's acknowledgement have been allowed to stand on its own?



Personally, I don't think the "added context" in this instance was necessary or appropriate. If you want to add context, then grab your own soapbox instead of pissing on someone else's. I'm don't see why the university or the women's basketball program should be "under fire" for this.

 

[Ahlevah]

That’s horrible. I hope the officer is recovering. There was a lot of blood in that footage.

Apparently, he's back on the job on restricted duty pending the outcome of a "criminal investigation" into use of force.

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[Ahlevah]

Then, of course, it wouldn't be a normal case of a cop killing a black person unless wacko activists were ranting about it being an obvious case of police brutality:

Despite the video evidence, Black Lives Matter called for Liu to be fired for using deadly force. Antifa referred to the shooting as a “murder”.

Georgetown mourns former women’s basketball player who was fatally shot by cop

A 6-5

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"Small mistake."

 

[donhughesmusic]

Now, what I want to know is does anyone have a problem with the Hoyas making an innocuous tweet mentioning the death of a former player? Was the commentary added by X appropriate or necessary, and should the university's acknowledgement have been allowed to stand on its own?

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Personally, I don't think the "added context" in this instance was necessary or appropriate. If you want to add context, then grab your own soapbox instead of pissing on someone else's. I'm don't see why the university or the women's basketball program should be "under fire" for this.

Once it was revealed that Chris Benoit killed his family, the WWE completely diatances themselves from him. Georgetown could have done the same thing and didn't.

 

[Ahlevah]

Once it was revealed that Chris Benoit killed his family, the WWE completely diatances themselves from him. Georgetown could have done the same thing and didn't.

Benoit brutally murdered his wife, then in a separate incident killed his 7-year-old son the next day before committing suicide. Killing kids—especially your own—places you in a whole separate class of evil. Also, we know Sydney was suffering from mental illness. I hope we’re not at the point in our society where we hold people who are not of sound mind responsible for their actions to the same degree as someone who is considered to be sane. There had been no prior indication that Benoit suffered from any physical or mental condition that would have explained his behavior, although we now know he had extensive brain damage from having endured many concussions over the years, abused steroids, and also may have suffered from severe depression. I think it’s fair to say there is considerable evidence he also wasn’t of sound mind. It’s just that we didn’t know that at the time.

Given these facts and Wilson’s contributions to Georgetown’s women’s basketball program, I don’t think it did anything wrong by posting a simple acknowledgement mourning her death.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Benoit brutally murdered his wife, then in a separate incident killed his 7-year-old son the next day before committing suicide. Killing kids—especially your own—places you in a whole separate class of evil. Also, we know Sydney was suffering from mental illness. I hope we’re not at the point in our society where we hold people who are not of sound mind responsible for their actions to the same degree as someone who is considered to be sane. There had been no prior indication that Benoit suffered from any physical or mental condition that would have explained his behavior, although we now know he had extensive brain damage from having endured many concussions over the years, abused steroids, and also may have suffered from severe depression. I think it’s fair to say there is considerable evidence he also wasn’t of sound mind. It’s just that we didn’t know that at the time.

Given these facts and Wilson’s contributions to Georgetown’s women’s basketball program, I don’t think it did anything wrong by posting a simple acknowledgement mourning her death.

I don't care if she suffered from mental illness or not. There are different levels. If this mentally ill person talks to wadded up pieces of paper they just sucked on, ill supply them with all the notebooks they want. If this mentally ill person tries to murder my father (I word it that way because my father was a cop), or anyone's mother, father, brother, or sister, they should not be acknowledged in the slightest. Joe Paterno did an amazing amount of good for Penn State, but when it was shown that he knew about the Sandusky victims and didn't go to the police, that wipes out all the good that he did.

 

[Gordy327]

I'm still trying to process this one. There are at least half-a-dozen possible discussions available here, including how not to do a welfare check on a suspected mental patient:

What's to process? Someone attacks a police officer with a knife. Being shot by said police officer in self defense is a reasonable and expected outcome. The perpetrator's mental state becomes irrelevant once they physically attack someone with a deadly weapon and/or intent. Self defense/preservation takes priority.

Apparently, he's back on the job on restricted duty pending the outcome of a "criminal investigation" into use of force.

On the surface, the use of force was justified.

 

[Peter]

Why are they sending the police to do a welfare chaeck on someone with possible mental issues?

 

[samiam5211]

Pretty dumb to knock Georgetown for mourning the loss of one of their former students due to what amounts to mental illness.

 

[Ahlevah]

What's to process?

A lot.

Someone attacks a police officer with a knife. Being shot by said police officer in self defense is a reasonable and expected outcome. The perpetrator's mental state becomes irrelevant once they physically attack someone with a deadly weapon and/or intent. Self defense/preservation takes priority.

On the surface, the use of force was justified.

Yes, that’s all reasonable. But, for starters, what I don’t understand is why only a single officer was sent to handle a welfare check on a known mental patient. This officer was supposedly trained in crisis intervention, and yet he didn’t seem to have a clue that something may have been amiss after Wilson closed the door, refused to open it again after repeated requests, and then put on loud music. At that point shouldn’t he have exercised more caution? Perhaps called for backup, or at least stood further away from the door? He appeared to be caught off guard. And then why did he wait so long before choosing to shoot her, especially after she had already slashed him in the face with a knife? Shouldn’t he have immediately dropped her after she raised it again and kept coming towards him? Maybe he had visions of George Floyd, BLM, and prison? Whatever it was, it almost cost him his life.

 

[Ahlevah]

Why are they sending the police to do a welfare chaeck on someone with possible mental issues?

That’s done because police are typically the first available first responders. In recent decades, we’ve drastically cut mental health services, mainly for budgetary reasons. We simply don’t have enough psychiatric nurses or social workers. After some notable unfortunate incidents, many jurisdictions have trained officers in this sort of crisis intervention.

This wasn’t Fairfax County’s first encounter with this woman. They had responded just the day before in another incident. Instead of putting these people in jails or prisons they should be placed in inpatient mental hospitals and kept there until it can be determined that they’re no longer a threat to public safety. But we’d rather wait until they commit a serious violent felony, blame the gun where one is used, then put the perp in prison.

 

[Ahlevah]

I don't care if she suffered from mental illness or not.

Yeah, a lot of people don’t. Even if they were to assume a person who committed a heinous act had been possessed by demons they would just as soon burn them at the stake as not. Fortunately, most people are reasonable and think we need to separate levels of culpability between people who suffer from some form of diminished capacity and those who don’t.

Joe Paterno did an amazing amount of good for Penn State, but when it was shown that he knew about the Sandusky victims and didn't go to the police, that wipes out all the good that he did.

Joe Paterno was an adult of sound mind who knew what he was doing and should have known it was wrong.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Yeah, a lot of people don’t. Even if they were to assume a person who committed a heinous act had been possessed by demons they would just as soon burn them at the stake as not. Fortunately, most people are reasonable and think we need to separate levels of culpability between people who suffer from some form of diminished capacity and those who don’t.



Joe Paterno was an adult of sound mind who knew what he was doing and should have known it was wrong.

Which is why I said there are different levels of mental illness. Attempted murder is much worse than eating crayons.

 

[Ahlevah]

Which is why I said there are different levels of mental illness. Attempted murder is much worse than eating crayons.

Yes, someone who is asking a policeman “How are you?” as she’s slashing him with a knife and smiling as she’s walking towards him holding the knife over her head could be severely mentally ill. According to our system of justice, the severity of illness could impact the level and culpability. A paranoid schizophrenic could be in a state in which his mind is completely separated from reality, go on a killing spree, and then be declared not guilty by reason of insanity.

 

[Roadvirus]

Then, of course, it wouldn't be a normal case of a cop killing a black person unless wacko activists were ranting about it being an obvious case of police brutality:

Georgetown mourns former women’s basketball player who was fatally shot by cop

A 6-5

sandrarose.com

Despite the video evidence, Black Lives Matter called for Liu to be fired for using deadly force. Antifa referred to the shooting as a “murder”.

Murder

Apparently self-defense is not allowed by cops when they are being attacked by a knife-wielder.

"Small mistake."

"a small stab wound"

What assholes.

 

[ColdHardTruth]

Benoit brutally murdered his wife, then in a separate incident killed his 7-year-old son the next day before committing suicide. Killing kids—especially your own—places you in a whole separate class of evil. Also, we know Sydney was suffering from mental illness. I hope we’re not at the point in our society where we hold people who are not of sound mind responsible for their actions to the same degree as someone who is considered to be sane. There had been no prior indication that Benoit suffered from any physical or mental condition that would have explained his behavior, although we now know he had extensive brain damage from having endured many concussions over the years, abused steroids, and also may have suffered from severe depression. I think it’s fair to say there is considerable evidence he also wasn’t of sound mind. It’s just that we didn’t know that at the time.

Benoit had severe brain injury caused by repeated head trauma. He is not anywhere near a full deck. That doesn't change what he did; however, it does explain his mostly unexplainable behavior.

Given these facts and Wilson’s contributions to Georgetown’s women’s basketball program, I don’t think it did anything wrong by posting a simple acknowledgement mourning her death.

No, he did not.

 

[donhughesmusic]

Yes, someone who is asking a policeman “How are you?” as she’s slashing him with a knife and smiling as she’s walking towards him holding the knife over her head could be severely mentally ill. According to our system of justice, the severity of illness could impact the level and culpability. A paranoid schizophrenic could be in a state in which his mind is completely separated from reality, go on a killing spree, and then be declared not guilty by reason of insanity.

They still tried to kill a productive member of society. People who are declared not guilty by reason of insanity are still put away in mental institutions for long periods of time. If someone tries to kill someone I love, I don't care what the reason is. The safety and welfare of MY family comes first, second, and third in my life. I don't care who you are, or what mental illness you may have. I have all the sympathy in the world for you until you try to take a human life. Then all bets are off.

 

[Ahlevah]

They still tried to kill a productive member of society. People who are declared not guilty by reason of insanity are still put away in mental institutions for long periods of time. If someone tries to kill someone I love, I don't care what the reason is. The safety and welfare of MY family comes first, second, and third in my life. I don't care who you are, or what mental illness you may have. I have all the sympathy in the world for you until you try to take a human life. Then all bets are off.

That's why we have laws and courts that decide these issues instead of letting family members settle it. They're a little too close to the subject to address it rationally and dispassionately. Sometimes time and access to a different set of facts have a way of altering one's viewpoint.

 

[donhughesmusic]

That's why we have laws and courts that decide these issues instead of letting family members settle it. They're a little too close to the subject to address it rationally and dispassionately. Sometimes time and access to a different set of facts have a way of altering one's viewpoint.

The Menendez case has zero to do with what we are talking about. This basketball player tried to kill someone who did not victimize her in any way. Georgetown honoring that person, regardless of whether she was mentally ill or not, is wrong, plain and simple.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Now, what I want to know is does anyone have a problem with the Hoyas making an innocuous tweet mentioning the death of a former player?

I don't know. Two things can be true at the same time: Wilson's death was tragic, and the officer was 100% justified in using the force he did.

Was the commentary added by X appropriate or necessary, and should the university's acknowledgement have been allowed to stand on its own?

I think it can be argued that it's not inappropriate, and it can be viewed as necessary in "Black Lives Matter" hysteria period, which is ebbing but still present.

 

[Ahlevah]

The Menendez case has zero to do with what we are talking about.

You said that if someone tries to kill someone you love you don’t care what the reason is. I simply pointed out that someone did kill someone they loved, and they do care about the reason. Take it or leave it.

This basketball player tried to kill someone who did not victimize her in any way. Georgetown honoring that person, regardless of whether she was mentally ill or not, is wrong, plain and simple.

Okay, that’s your opinion. I don’t have an issue with it for the reasons I stated. Some people think honoring a slave owner and alleged rapist like Thomas Jefferson or Christopher Columbus for being a douche to the natives is wrong. I don’t have a problem with honoring them either.

 

[Ahlevah]

I think it can be argued that it's not inappropriate, and it can be viewed as necessary in "Black Lives Matter" hysteria period, which is ebbing but still present.

I still think the “added context” feature in this instance wasn’t appropriate. The tweet was not a subject in a political debate. Like I said, if someone has an issue with it, they should do it in their own forum instead of pissing in someone else’s Wheaties.