Genetic vaccines work ... maybe

[Good4Nothin]

Vaccine-Induced Tolerance to Spike Protein ...

.. Explains "Protection from Severe Disease" and Endless Reinfections

igorchudov.substack.com

We always hear that the covid genetic vaccines (either mRNA or DNA) prevent severe disease and death from covid. It's hard to know if or how true that is, with all the propaganda and conflicting information. But let's say it is true. This article has an explanation of how the vaccines may save lives, while also causing chronic disease.

Death from covid usually occurs because the immune system over-reacts, and attacks the patient's own body. Genetic vaccines are different from traditional vaccines, in that genetic vaccines cause the antigen (spike protein in this case) to appear on the surface of our own cells. This can confuse the immune system -- is this cell one of US or one of THEM. That is the critical decision the immune system is constantly making.

When the immune system sees covid spikes on the body's own cells, it might learn to tolerate those spikes. It might also learn to fight them. So there can be some degree of immune suppression.

This can result in the short term benefit of reduced mortality for at risk patients. But the cost might be an increase in longterm chronic illness. The covid spike is the part of the virus that is toxic, but unfortunately that is the part they chose as the antigen.

This article says vaccinated people are more likely to get repeat and chronic covid infections. How true that is, I do not know. But if true, it would make sense -- if your body has tolerance for the covid spike protein, it will be less likely to fight off covid infections. And you will also have more harmful spikes roaming around in your body, including your brain.

Just some things to think about. The article makes sense to me, and actually is exactly what I was thinking when I first read about these genetic vaccines.

 

[Mr Person]

The article makes sense to me, and actually is exactly what I was thinking when I first read about these genetic vaccines.

Well, that certainly saves us all a lot of time. It's gotta be another load of the disinfo you like to spread.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Well, that certainly saves us all a lot of time. It's gotta be another load of the disinfo you like to spread.

It doesn't come from Fauci or the CDC, therefore must be disinfo.

 

[phoenix2020]

It doesn't come from Fauci or the CDC, therefore must be disinfo.

Incorrect; the rubric at play here is that it comes from @Good4Nothin, therefore it must be disinformation. With your track record, who can blame us?

 

[Good4Nothin]

Incorrect; the rubric at play here is that it comes from @Good4Nothin, therefore it must be disinformation. With your track record, who can blame us?

My track record is to criticize the vaccine propaganda. Not one thing I posted at this forum was proven wrong.

 

[phoenix2020]

My track record is to criticize the vaccine propaganda. Not one thing I posted at this forum was proven wrong.

Incorrect, your track record is to post links to articles you either did not read or poorly understood, most of which conclude that vaccines are a tremendous net positive. You get called out on this by people who actually read the papers, then you disappear for a few days and start a thread with a fresh new article. Rinse and repeat, over and over.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Incorrect, your track record is to post links to articles you either did not read or poorly understood, most of which conclude that vaccines are a tremendous net positive. You get called out on this by people who actually read the papers, then you disappear for a few days and start a thread with a fresh new article. Rinse and repeat, over and over.

That is what you say. I have not seen evidence of that, not once. If I posted an article I understood it completely. Often articles about covid vaccines end with "Everyone should get these vaccines, regardless of what this article says." They have to say that.

 

[beefheart]

She's back to spread more lies and disinformation...as usual.

 

[The Mark]

My track record is to criticize the vaccine propaganda. Not one thing I posted at this forum was proven wrong.

First they need to be proven right.

 

[Good4Nothin]

First they need to be proven right.

We don't have proof either way for most of us. Different sources say opposite things. There are people at this forum who are obsessively pro-vaccines, so they don't like to read my posts. They aren't forced to.

 

[The Mark]

We don't have proof either way for most of us. Different sources say opposite things. There are people at this forum who are obsessively pro-vaccines, so they don't like to read my posts. They aren't forced to.

They make the reasonable assumption that the FDA would not have approved the vaccines without proof they work.
Not to mention any number of other nations approving them, through their own methods.

 

[phoenix2020]

We don't have proof either way for most of us. Different sources say opposite things. There are people at this forum who are obsessively pro-vaccines, so they don't like to read my posts. They aren't forced to.

I think of it as a public service. If we ignore you, someone more gullible might take some of your disinformation seriously, and next thing you know some unfortunate child has lost a parent because that parent avoided a vaccine because of disinformation he or she read "online." Therefore it's important that we not avoid your disinformation posts but actively confront them. You're going to keep pushing your narrative that vaccines are dangerous and bad, and we're going to be there to confront you about it at every turn. If you don't like this, you can always elect to stop spreading disinformation!

 

[noonereal]

Vaccine-Induced Tolerance to Spike Protein ...

.. Explains "Protection from Severe Disease" and Endless Reinfections

igorchudov.substack.com

We always hear that the covid genetic vaccines (either mRNA or DNA) prevent severe disease and death from covid. It's hard to know if or how true that is, with all the propaganda and conflicting information. But let's say it is true. This article has an explanation of how the vaccines may save lives, while also causing chronic disease.

Death from covid usually occurs because the immune system over-reacts, and attacks the patient's own body. Genetic vaccines are different from traditional vaccines, in that genetic vaccines cause the antigen (spike protein in this case) to appear on the surface of our own cells. This can confuse the immune system -- is this cell one of US or one of THEM. That is the critical decision the immune system is constantly making.

When the immune system sees covid spikes on the body's own cells, it might learn to tolerate those spikes. It might also learn to fight them. So there can be some degree of immune suppression.

This can result in the short term benefit of reduced mortality for at risk patients. But the cost might be an increase in longterm chronic illness. The covid spike is the part of the virus that is toxic, but unfortunately that is the part they chose as the antigen.

This article says vaccinated people are more likely to get repeat and chronic covid infections. How true that is, I do not know. But if true, it would make sense -- if your body has tolerance for the covid spike protein, it will be less likely to fight off covid infections. And you will also have more harmful spikes roaming around in your body, including your brain.

Just some things to think about. The article makes sense to me, and actually is exactly what I was thinking when I first read about these genetic vaccines.

I have found no misinformation coming from respected sources in the vaccine.
I have found that new info is continually coming in.

 

[year2late]

It doesn't come from Fauci or the CDC, therefore must be disinfo.

Nope, if it comes from you it is disnfo. No need to bring Fauci into it.

 

[Good4Nothin]

They make the reasonable assumption that the FDA would not have approved the vaccines without proof they work.
Not to mention any number of other nations approving them, through their own methods.

Corruption between the FDA and the drug industry is well known.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I think of it as a public service. If we ignore you, someone more gullible might take some of your disinformation seriously, and next thing you know some unfortunate child has lost a parent because that parent avoided a vaccine because of disinformation he or she read "online." Therefore it's important that we not avoid your disinformation posts but actively confront them. You're going to keep pushing your narrative that vaccines are dangerous and bad, and we're going to be there to confront you about it at every turn. If you don't like this, you can always elect to stop spreading disinformation!

Yet you have said nothing to explain why you think anything in that article is wrong. Or why anything I said in my post is wrong. Nothing.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I have found no misinformation coming from respected sources in the vaccine.
I have found that new info is continually coming in.

Yes, like the info I posted.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Nope, if it comes from you it is disnfo. No need to bring Fauci into it.

That is what all the comments here said so far. It's wrong because it's wrong. It doesn't agree with the CDC so it's wrong. Propaganda works.

 

[The Mark]

Corruption between the FDA and the drug industry is well known.

Even assuming that, they're not going to play around with something like this.
Or at least not much.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Even assuming that, they're not going to play around with something like this.
Or at least not much.

Sure they are. Why not? They probably convinced themselves the vaccines are safe, without evidence, because that's what they want to believe. Meanwhile, they greatly increased their power and are raking in big fortunes. And the future looks great for the drug industry and all their friends, as genetic vaccines become increasingly mandated for more and more diseases.

 

[Gordy327]

Vaccine-Induced Tolerance to Spike Protein ...

.. Explains "Protection from Severe Disease" and Endless Reinfections

igorchudov.substack.com

We always hear that the covid genetic vaccines (either mRNA or DNA) prevent severe disease and death from covid. It's hard to know if or how true that is, with all the propaganda and conflicting information.

Actually, it is true. The evidence demonstrates that.

But let's say it is true. This article has an explanation of how the vaccines may save lives, while also causing chronic disease.

What chronic diseases? Covid itself is being shown to lead to chronic health complications. Many people who suffer or have died from covid have chronic conditions to begin with.

Death from covid usually occurs because the immune system over-reacts, and attacks the patient's own body. Genetic vaccines are different from traditional vaccines, in that genetic vaccines cause the antigen (spike protein in this case) to appear on the surface of our own cells. This can confuse the immune system -- is this cell one of US or one of THEM. That is the critical decision the immune system is constantly making.

Thar is false. You are describing a severe allergic reaction. Death from covid usually results from the immune system being unable to eliminate the virus before the virus caused organ disfunction.

When the immune system sees covid spikes on the body's own cells, it might learn to tolerate those spikes. It might also learn to fight them. So there can be some degree of immune suppression.

Do you know anything about immunology. The immune system recognizes covid proteins as foreign and produces antibodies to neutralize those proteins. Viral infection of cells eventually leads to cell death.

This can result in the short term benefit of reduced mortality for at risk patients. But the cost might be an increase in longterm chronic illness. The covid spike is the part of the virus that is toxic, but unfortunately that is the part they chose as the antigen.

The viral protein is an antigen. An antigen is what triggers an immune response.

This article says vaccinated people are more likely to get repeat and chronic covid infections. How true that is, I do not know. But if true, it would make sense -- if your body has tolerance for the covid spike protein, it will be less likely to fight off covid infections. And you will also have more harmful spikes roaming around in your body, including your brain.

Wrong on so many levels. Once an immune response occurs, memory B & T cells will "remember" the protein antigen when it's encountered again, resulting in a faster immune response before the virus can cause disease or severe harm. That's how immunity basically works. It's not going to simply ignore viral antigens, unless the immune system itself is compromised.

Just some things to think about. The article makes sense to me, and actually is exactly what I was thinking when I first read about these genetic vaccines.

You don't seem to understand how vaccines or the immune system works to begin with.

 

[Gordy327]

That is what all the comments here said so far. It's wrong because it's wrong. It doesn't agree with the CDC so it's wrong. Propaganda works.

Objective evidence works better.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Actually, it is true. The evidence demonstrates that.

What chronic diseases? Covid itself is being shown to lead to chronic health complications. Many people who suffer or have died from covid have chronic conditions to begin with.

Thar is false. You are describing a severe allergic reaction. Death from covid usually results from the immune system being unable to eliminate the virus before the virus caused organ disfunction.

Do you know anything about immunology. The immune system recognizes covid proteins as foreign and produces antibodies to neutralize those proteins. Viral infection of cells eventually leads to cell death.

The viral protein is an antigen. An antigen is what triggers an immune response.

Wrong on so many levels. Once an immune response occurs, memory B & T cells will "remember" the protein antigen when it's encountered again, resulting in a faster immune response before the virus can cause disease or severe harm. That's how immunity basically works. It's not going to simply ignore viral antigens, unless the immune system itself is compromised.

You don't seem to understand how vaccines or the immune system works to begin with.

You didn't read the article and your comments are gibberish.

 

[Gordy327]

You didn't read the article and your comments are gibberish.

You mean a newsletter? Seriously? The only gibberish here is your post, especially given that you did not refute anything I said but instead went straight for snark.

 

[Gordy327]

It doesn't come from Fauci or the CDC, therefore must be disinfo.

Dr. Fauci and the CDC have far more expertise, knowledge, and credibility on the matter than you.