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the Bible is a "scientific" based book
Does this sequence follow the same path as the formation of the universe, of Earth, and of evolution?
No matter who brings this up or why there is nothing in Genesis, or anywhere else in the Bible for that matter, that is based on any facet of science.
Every single part of the Bible was written up through a period filled to the brim with bronze age myths, persistently told and retold time and time again for whatever religious and ideological reason. From roughly 2,000 years before Christ to about 200-240 years after Christ we have text that was eventually decided upon by the Roman Empire of all people. At no time was science, process, or even reason part of the discussion.
The Bible, scriptures and lessons, are not teaching science. They teach belief, that is it.
You have to fast forward all the way to the other side of the dark ages, and go up through the 1500's and 1600's to find the origins of what we call systems of process where all of a sudden we started asking questions from observations that ended up forcing conventional wisdom to adapt. Or, what we like to call science and what it does to Bronze Age myths.
We already know the earth was not created in a few days by a old and bored white haired guy sitting in the dark, just as we know woman was not created from the rib of a man just to give him some company in getting kicked out of Eden, and just as we know some 520+ year old guy did not build an ark - still have a kid or two along the way - and live up to the vibrant age of 950 (or whatever.)
This is all **** religion brings to the table, and it is just that... ****.
In all fairness, "the universe was formless and void" and then "Let there be light." is an awful good poetic description of the Big Bang.
That was the first thing that came to mind when I encountered the Big Bang Theory all those years ago.
As well as the concept of "intelligent design" as an explanation of obvious evolutionary processes in our world.
My child's imagery was jahweh could manifest a cake or he could bake a cake. So he could create the universe finished and whole or just start vast "machinery" and watch it all unfold.
In all fairness, "the universe was formless and void" and then "Let there be light." is an awful good poetic description of the Big Bang.
That was the first thing that came to mind when I encountered the Big Bang Theory all those years ago.
As well as the concept of "intelligent design" as an explanation of obvious evolutionary processes in our world.
My child's imagery was jahweh could manifest a cake or he could bake a cake. So he could create the universe finished and whole or just start vast "machinery" and watch it all unfold.
You are making my point for me, no one back then knew what any of that meant.
You say 'awful good poetic description,' I say accidentally getting one thing somewhat right in a sea of getting everything else dead wrong. The only way you know about Big Bang or anything else of the like is from science.
What you do not get to do is grant to those in the Bronze Age some information we did not really even start to question and create hypothesis for until 1300+ years later. In the case of Genesis roughly 3000+ years later.
I have my own cosmology, and jahweh is at best a usurper and at worst a complete fabrication in it.
I just remember making that connection the first time I heard tthe big bang explained.
Life is stranger than a purely mechanical explanation for me. I have seen far too many odd things during my life that seem to support the premise than consciousness and reality interact with each other, that our perceived reality is shaped by our expectations and preconceptions in some way.
I don't need to define it farther than that. Nobody knows while they're alive and nobody has ever heard conclusively from anybody dead that there is anything after death.
My favorite shorthand is "We exist so the Universe can look at itself."
Not really.
The Early Universe
After the Big Bang, the universe was like a hot soup of particles (i.e. protons, neutrons, and electrons). When the universe started cooling, the protons and neutrons began combining into ionized atoms of hydrogen (and eventually some helium). These ionized atoms of hydrogen and helium attracted electrons, turning them into neutral atoms - which allowed light to travel freely for the first time, since this light was no longer scattering off free electrons. The universe was no longer opaque! However, it would still be some time (perhaps up to a few hundred million years post-Big Bang!) before the first sources of light would start to form, ending the cosmic dark ages.
First Light & Reionization - Webb/NASA!)
In the very high density of the early universe, ionized matter and radiation were tightly coupled until the first atoms formed, creating a neutral medium that allowed radiation to pass. From then on the universe was mostly transparent, but it was dark, because there were no sources of light.
Opacity of Early Universe | American Scientist
Evolution has no goal, no future plans and nobody is designing it.
The universe was around long before we were. And Genesis is garbage.
You are presuming that nothing exists outside of our spacetime. I suspect we exist in myriad spacetimes, each created for the purpose of the experiences they contain.
Nobody really knows, and physics has holes where damn near anything could "be".
Created by what?
Itself? Who knows.
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.
We don't know and can't say for certain.
I don't have confidence in the accuracy of any of the abrahamic death cults, but some guy showed up with a new way of looking at life and living together at some point in most cultures. A way that resonated and loved on as a result.
And all of those ways boil down to the same "way" with allowances for variances in pre existing belief systems.
Some version of the Golden Rule, when stripped of all the embellishments added since they lived.
It's interesting. And I don't have whatever it is that makes the vast majority of people need an answer to the question of what happens when you die. I am happy to alter my conception as new information or simple whimsy provide it.
The "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" motto is often used by the pop theists to claim that "there might be a God" and that can't automatically be discounted, but the statement if basically akin to nonsenses. The same saying could be used to claim that there might be wood fairies or bigfoot or Santa Claus. Absence of evidence means basically means that the entity to which it refers has no evidence to undergird it and the LOGICAL conclusion is that such entity simply does not exist.
Itself? Who knows.
Absense of evidence is not evidence of absense.
We don't know and can't say for certain.
I don't have confidence in the accuracy of any of the abrahamic death cults, but some guy showed up with a new way of looking at life and living together at some point in most cultures. A way that resonated and loved on as a result.
And all of those ways boil down to the same "way" with allowances for variances in pre existing belief systems.
Some version of the Golden Rule, when stripped of all the embellishments added since they lived.
It's interesting. And I don't have whatever it is that makes the vast majority of people need an answer to the question of what happens when you die. I am happy to alter my conception as new information or simple whimsy provide it.
You don't see a problem there?
I believe that any entity capable of creating a universe would be as inconceivable to us as we are to a mouse.
No actual "meeting of the minds" is possible. We would have to be entities capable of creating a universe for that.
My cosmology comes down to two major "veins".
The Godhead, the Universal "Is", whatever you want to call it, either split itself into pieces or created new "baby Is's. For which it created an infinite multiverse for all of those new "souls" to experience everything that can be experienced in soacetime and other types of universes.
So It could experience itself, and eventually have "peer". Someone to really talk to, you know? Friends, family.
This cosmology provides acceptable explanations for every observable "wrong" in the world we live in. For instance, how does Jahweh explain babies who are born into pain and live briefly in agony and die. What is the point to that in the Abrahamic universe?
In all of mine (there are a couple of other variants) that llfe provided the experience of being born in pain living briefly in agony and dying. Whcih sounds kind of terrible to people who believe they live once and die. Eternally judged or vanishing into nothing after this single existence.
Nobody knows what's really going on. I've seen enough "impossible" and often ridiculously specific things to accept a completely mechanistic explanation, especially after acceptance that there is fundamental interaction between "reality" and consciousness, and the god of the abrahamic faiths is far too much a characature of the very worst in human beings for me to believe "he" is responsible for the amazing and whimsical universe we live in.
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