Gazans 'wasting away' as mass starvation spreads, humanitarian groups warn

[Evilroddy]

Abnormal ≠ normal.

Normalising occurred in Post #32. "Nah, just a fact of life" and then using that characterisation of atrocity as a springboard to attack liberals' and Gazan' capacity to understand.

Nah, just a fact of life. A fact neither liberals nor Gazans get apparently.

Your use of "abnormally" was in Post # 385 in which you dehumanised Gazan Palestinian adults. The use of abnormally had nothing to do with earlier normalisation by this point in the thread - it was now a tool of dehumanisation. Just have the gurs to admit you support atrocity and mass killing if you don't like the people being killed en masse. If not your argument is utterly hypocritical.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[Parrish]

Children are dying, weighing less than their birthweight, Horrific. Bibi has to go.

 

[Cosmo]

Normalising occurred in Post #32. "Nah, just a fact of life"

Yeah, for them. Context. Ever heard of it?

and then using that characterisation of atrocity as a springboard to attack liberals' and Gazan' capacity to understand.



Your use of "abnormally" was in Post # 385 in which you dehumanised Gazan Palestinian adults. The use of abnormally had nothing to do with earlier normalisation by this point in the thread - it was now a tool of dehumanisation. Just have the gurs to admit you support atrocity and mass killing if you don't like the people being killed en masse. If not your argument is utterly hypocritical.

Be well and be safe.
Evilroddy.

 

[cpwill]

Oh, and as I anticipated, the GHF has already claimed this guy is just a resentful former employee who was fired for unspecified inappropriate behavior AND was apparently blackmailing them (And it is to be expected that the GHF would deny its other members engaging in war crimes).

Ex-US contractor says he saw IDF commit war crimes at aid sites; GHF rejects ‘false claims’

Anthony Aguilar tells BBC that the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation system is 'criminal,' says he's never seen such 'brutality and use of indiscriminate' force against civilians

www.timesofisrael.com

Of course isn't that always the case? Every whistle blower is just a venomous resentful former employee trying to bite the hand that feeds and kicking the poor little down-on-its-luck shadowy MIC contractor outfit when they are down?

The GHF has since released his email and message traffic with them and in public that validates their claims, and which fairly non-dramatically and convincingly lays out that this guy is indeed lying and vindictive.

 

[Felis Leo]

The GHF has since released his email and message traffic with them and in public that validates their claims, and which fairly non-dramatically and convincingly lays out that this guy is indeed lying and vindictive.

I have admittedly not watched the video in its entirety, cpwill. Without independent corroboration, or a full-airing of the communications between Aguilar and GHF like what you would see in the courtroom setting of a civil suit, I will take it as argumentative rather than factual. I have no reason to believe his former employers who are employees of the Israeli government in their denials, and certainly not their company lawyer, especially when it is kind of natural that they would flat out deny committing or aiding and abetting war crimes and crimes against humanity. Their lawyer would literally be committing malpractice by doing anything other than that and zealously advocating for his client in a public setting, especially in this context when accusations of war crimes are flying about. Mr. Aguilar has admitted aiding and abetting war crimes. I tend to believe someone when they are making claims against self-interest after having fronted and promoted an organization they are a part of.

GHF and Israel could push aside all of Mr. Aguilar's allegedly false claims by allowing the foreign press from multiple outlets on-site in Gaza. But they do not, because independent journalists would almost certainly confirm the worst of Mr. Aguilar's accusations, and probably reveal even more terrible crimes against humanity that he was not privy or witness to.

 

[Craig234]

That's nonsense. Less than half of Gazans voted in Hamas. Two decades ago.

Hamas has been in power for years because Netanyahu arranged for their funding. Putting aside the issue of demonizing Hamas, that makes Netanyahu the person most responsible for Hamas being in power. Was someone calling for killing people for any remote connection to Hamas?

 

[Craig234]

All Israel is doing now is inspiring the hatred that creates the next generation of terrorism.

I have to disagree. They are making real progress on their genocidal colonialist project. The same could be said that the US by cleansing native Americans was just 'inspiring the hatred that creates the next generation of [violent resistance]', but that's not what happened.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I have to disagree. They are making real progress on their genocidal colonialist project. The same could be said that the US by cleansing native Americans was just 'inspiring the hatred that creates the next generation of [violent resistance]', but that's not what happened.

I feel like the historical and cultural context is significantly different.

Most importantly vis-a-vis the role of religion. In the 18-19th centuries the US went the genocide route with Native Americans who had no one outside of the continent with religious sympathies for their plight. One might make a convincing argument that the modern Arab world doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian per se, but rest assured there are radical elements in their societies who are more than happy to use Palestinian suffering to promote jihad against Israel (and by extension the West).

 

[Craig234]

Most importantly vis-a-vis the role of religion. In the 18-19th centuries the US went the genocide route with Native Americans who had no one outside of the continent with religious sympathies for their plight. One might make a convincing argument that the modern Arab world doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian per se, but rest assured there are radical elements in their societies who are more than happy to use Palestinian suffering to promote jihad against Israel (and by extension the West).

I find that a rather confused view. First, IMO religion was about as involved in both situations. Americans were very much caught up in both a religious and nationalist fervor about "Manifest Destiny" fueling their pogrom, just as the rogue state is, which hides being religion for a pretense. The people - Arabs or not - who support the Palestinians are right, not "radical elements". If there are such radical elements among them they pale to the rogue state.

 

[Lycanthrope]

I find that a rather confused view. First, IMO religion was about as involved in both situations. Americans were very much caught up in both a religious and nationalist fervor about "Manifest Destiny" fueling their pogrom, just as the rogue state is, which hides being religion for a pretense. The people - Arabs or not - who support the Palestinians are right, not "radical elements". If there are such radical elements among them they pale to the rogue state.

You're speaking to the religion of the conquerer, not the conquered. Native Americans had no one outside the continent with religious sympathies to them, no one who drew inspiration to take up arms against the United States because of the genocide it committed against the indigenous population.

And as to the bolded I am speaking specifically to those elements of the Arab world inclined towards radicalism, aka terrorism, which is how our exchange in this thread began. Again - terrorism inspired by the plight of the Palestinians doesn't have to be Palestinian in and of itself - history has shown radical Islamists use it for their own agendas.

 

[Craig234]

You're speaking to the religion of the conquerer, not the conquered. Native Americans had no one outside the continent with religious sympathies to them, no one who drew inspiration to take up arms against the United States because of the genocide it committed against the indigenous population.

Well, that is part of the situation, but I don't see how it really affects the analogy; the Muslims outside Palestinian who oppose the genocide, as well as the Jews and others who oppose it, are not really a force threatening war on the US. They're all basically marginalized against their corrupted regimes.

And as to the bolded I am speaking specifically to those elements of the Arab world inclined towards radicalism, aka terrorism, which is how our exchange in this thread began. Again - terrorism inspired by the plight of the Palestinians doesn't have to be Palestinian in and of itself - history has shown radical Islamists use it for their own agendas.

You didn't respond to my point though, that any such 'radicalism' pales to the radicalism and terrorism of the rogue state. I really don't see almost any going on, and close to al of what is, is resistance, not terrorism. Meanwhile, Netanyahu has committed assassinations and terrorism toward every opponent, and has the US committing tyranny against critics of the genocide.