ghost said:I didnt really know where to put this, so Im putting it here. I have a debate coming up, and since I cant find any info on gay right. Im going to ask some people on here. What are some rights protecting gay people. Have gay people ever seriously hurt society? Oh and if anyone is wondering Im on the pro's of gay rights.
Blizzard Warrior said:Just keep in mind that Homosexuality was a mental illness till about the early-mid 1980's then they took it off the DOMI book. If you have any more specific questions I would be more then happy to answer them.
Blizzard Warrior said:2. Ok 2 things A. i know a few atheits that are anti-gay and although the majority of 'anti-gay' people are religious not all of them are. Now the funny part is this, if you say that if America bans gay marriage its violating the wall of seperation between church and state. because Christiantiy teaches agaisnt homosexuality. Now a few things. firslty in the con. and DOI there are no terms like 'seperation', 'church', and 'state'. secondly 80.2% of Americans are Christain so as a democracy I think that if the people are anti-gay then if they pass it by a 50%+ vote then thats just following democratic principles. now the pinicle of what i want to say is this: Murder is illegal in America AND "thou shall not kill" is found in the book of Exodus in the Bible. So your saying that since we passed a law that co existed with the bible we are forcing eveyone to belive in Christianty? Of course not just becuase people have religious convictions and want to do something about it doesnt mean that the goverment is obeying a religion, by obeying the people's will its ruling by popular vote, whether or not religion is the basis for peoples convictions are irrelevent and shouldnt be considered a problem. And burning people at the stake is unheard of in Christiantiy, and violates what the book of exodus says.
3. Chritians never created marriage, they belive God made it and in the new covenant (the church) Jesus institued the sacrament of marriage. Jewish, Greek, and Roman socieites had marriage but a lot diffrent then modern marriage, and rarely ever had homosexual marriage. Now hte reason Christains regard satanists marriage is that becuase its a union between a man and a women, although the marriage wouldnt be considered blessed or sacred it is still marriage in the govt's eyes, but Christians dont regard homo. marriages becuase homo. marriage ISNT marriage in God's eyes. I assume you are not a Christain becuase you lack a large amount of knowledge in Christain teaching and history, if you are i would like to know what denomination.
Yes it was written in but my point is that they wouldnt just write it in there would have to be some evidence to back it up. Murders have occured thoughout history and are common, war is common, expliotation is common, so just becuase someting is common in hisotry (and homosexualtiy isnt really that common) doesnt mean we should assume it being right, eithical, moral et cetera.
What I meant to say was murder is seen as wrong and immoral across all societes, homosexuality is not. Conservative Christians and conservative Islam both view homosexuality as a crime or sickness. To declare that most major religions view homosexuality as wrong is a false statement. Buddisam, forms of Judisam and the Anglician Church see no difference in a persons sexual prefrence.Blizzard Warrior said:1. I am not sure what you mean by murder is found wrong across all races? I mean diffrent races that believe diffrent things useually belong to a certain culture group. Anyway so almost all mainstream relgions find homosexuality wrong, and most cultures world wide havent really recognized rights to homosexuay marriages, and a few relgions including islamic fundamentalists believe in many forms of murder, and ceratin cultures and barbaric tribes have nothing agaisnt murder.
Homosexuality will never be "banned" or made "illegal". The only way it will be banned is if an authority makes it so , bypassing the people. Which would be illegal.2. I am not sure how you can say Gay Marriage will never be banned by popular vote, at least not according to my polls. but im a bit confused at what your saying here " No such vote will ever pass though, the same as abortion would never be legalized through a popular vote. The only way homosexuality will be banned is by direct decree from a governing authority, bypassing the people." do u mean illegalized? or are you saying that abortion was banned by a direct decree from the governing authority bypassing the peoples will?
Many religious people do things that contradict their religions teachings. Christians did burn and hang so called "witches" in the 1600-1800. All religions/cultures have violence in their history, christianity is not only in this. Debating this issue in this topic is really pointless as it adds nothing to the debate on homosexuality.3. Burning at the stake IS in Christain history, the Christians were the ones being burned...not burning people, and if these so called Christains were buring people they cant call themselves Christains and their actions are not theologically justified. So those Christians your talking about clearly arnt true Christians, especially since they violate one of the 10 commandments blatantly.
I really don't see what is hard to understand about my post on this.4. Your statment about what Christianity did to marriage is quite confusing, and I want to point a problem in literally every sentence, so I was wondering if you could reword in one post and try to tell me what your saying, sorry its prolly just me not following along, but yea.
So not allowing homosexuals to become marriage is a financial issue and not religious? Celibacy is also dangerous to the family. I still fail to see your point in comparing homosexuals to murderers.5A. Murder makes certain people happy, love is subjective and can be ahchieved in many varoius forms, and it hurts society becuae it is a dangeroius social experiment on the family, and would increase the overall cost of the goverment issueing marriage certifcates and all the benefits that come along with it.
Porn is pure lust. This is known and accepted. Homosexuality is not lust. You can find a "false sense of love" in relationships throughout all sexual orientations.B. porn is classified as immoral, and yet it doesnt nessacarily hurt people, and it makes people happy along w/ a false sense of love.
C. Umm 2 questions, how many states have officially legalized gay marriage VIA popular vote? and how many states ahve officaily banned gay marriage VIA popular vote?
Blizzard Warrior said:So you really have to look at both sides of the Fundamental Christains, they condemn homosexuality as wrong, but really want to help, love, and care for them in a compassiante way, unforutanly the media tends to ignore the latter, and portray the prior.
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