I wasn't saying that what you said was right, I was just saying that you said it.
:roll:
I take back what I said, your assumption about one mother/one father is better is a wild one.
I guess...
"Everyone including Cilogy, whom I replied to initially knows exactly what I was saying. You are the only one having an issue." - Blackdog
I did not know "knows exactly what I was saying" translates into "what you said was right."
Okay, now we all understand each other.
Now what ...
Ok cool.
So ... how 'bout them Bears?
I said a child is better off with a mother and a father.
As I've read the thread, seems to me that the entire issue, of late, is with this statement. Your statement above is incorrect and has been proven so.
I have posted links to about a dozen sites, about 6-12 times during my time at DP, debunking this position. A child is better off with two parents, regardless of sex.
So then opinions.
My statement is absolutely correct. It has been successful in the development of the human family since the beginning. No study done can take this into account or prove that record wrong. There is almost no social science research to support my claim because the science involved was vs single parent homes. Due to the success of the traditional family no research was really needed. Not without an agenda anyway.
I agree a child is better off with 2 parents. This does not in any way change the fact it is optimal to have both a mother and father.
My statement stands as true.
It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.
Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
That is smart parenting. I mean if a male child has questions about sexuality, he is not going to go to mom or mom.
The dynamic of the nuclear family is the optimal child raising engine as intended by nature and human history.
The problem is people think this is some kind of jab at same sex marriage, it's not. It is however the best solution for child rearing.
If nothing else it's just as much a jab at polygamy as it is same-sex marriage. The fact that you don't hear these self-proclaimed champions of equality stand up for polygamists in the same breath they claim to seek equality only exposes them as hypocrites.
I for one don't give a **** about identity groups and I don't look at political issues through those rose colored glasses. marriage has a specific purpose, and if you aren't about serving that purpose then I would see you denied regardless of what identity group/s you belong to.
My statement is absolutely correct. It has been successful in the development of the human family since the beginning. No study done can take this into account or prove that record wrong. There is almost no social science research to support my claim because the science involved was vs single parent homes. Due to the success of the traditional family no research was really needed. Not without an agenda anyway.
I agree a child is better off with 2 parents. This does not in any way change the fact it is optimal to have both a mother and father.
My statement stands as true.
To you, [blah blah blah etc etc no point in reading the rest of this post because you're deliberately characterizing me with this tired out lame dismissal tactic easily shot down with entry level science].
It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.
Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
You are bringing a confounding variable into things that can affect children in families, REGARDLESS of the sex of the parents. The impact of extended families can have a positive impact on the traditional family, also... in fact, I would theorize that family success in the past was directly related to the involvement of the extended family.
This variable can affect any family and, because of which, is not pertinent.
That is smart parenting. I mean if a male child has questions about sexuality, he is not going to go to mom or mom.
The dynamic of the nuclear family is the optimal child raising engine as intended by nature and human history.
The problem is people think this is some kind of jab at same sex marriage, it's not. It is however the best solution for child rearing.
It's in fact critical if gays rely on extended family more so than hetero couples. How do studies address this?
Again, I would state that an extended family can be critical in a variety of circumstances, regardless of the sexual orientation of the parents. You are presenting a position that extended family is critical to the success of same sex parenting. I do believe that it then falls on you to provide studies that support this.
It's in fact critical if gays rely on extended family more so than hetero couples. How do studies address this?
Rely? The benefits of extended families extend to both heterosexual families and homosexual families. Haven't you ever heard the saying, "It takes a village to raise a child"? There is no evidence that anyone is anymore reliant on extended families than anyone else, only that having an extended family improves things for just about anyone.
Why would I have to provide sources I asked for?
Doesn't my act of asking for them demonstrate that I don't have them?
God forbid someone should ask a question on this forum :roll:
I want to explore how gays might need the extended family differently than a similarly situated hetero couple.
You made a claim, Jerry. My position is that the variable effects all types of child-rearing, and would benefit the child regardless. Now, if you would like to see studies on THAT, I'll do a little research and find them. However, it seems to be that your position is that extended family will more positively affect same-sex couple child rearing than traditional couple child rearing. That is not my position, so I would not have information surrounding it. If you have some, that would be helpful.
It's my understanding that the reason same-sex couples can raise perfectly fine children is due to their turning to extended family for the other sex's contributions.
Studies Capt'n has posted in the past do not account for the extended family variable...at least I haven't seen how those studies do if they have, anyway.
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