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So you guys really don't see what Capt'n C is doing here? You don't see the game? Ok. Have fun then.
please continue deflecting and getting owned
so now if you will, in your next post please link/state these facts that support your failed, laughable claims or dodge and lose again
good thing others dont have the same failed logic you do
" im going to yell at my school tomorrow, i dont want them teaching that old math that 2+2=4 when i know it equals five and they better not tell my kid all the left-handed people, redheaded people, blacks and or Catholic people and jewish people are normal!
how dare they!!!!! they are taking sides!!!!"
so true
understand please I am taking not stand in this thread of is homosexuality right or wrong.
NEUTRAL POSITIONis homosexuality normal or abnormal..............i myself have not taken a position on it in this thread, but you have.
I stated want i see here from each of you, you belive your side has the facts.
However you believing that does not make it fact
other people believe things they consider facts also, which are opposite of yours.
So you wish to count your own facts and discard theirs, well in your own world, you can do that, however in the public domain you dont get to put what you belive to be facts put on a pedestal, and everyone ahere to them.
you don't get to determine what facts are, there are facts....however they may not rest on your side of the argument.
you misunderstand, I am not putting forth facts on the issue from me, you have a position you hold this issue.
other people than yourself hold a different position than yours.
well what makes your position correct, and others position incorrect.
if you hold that government can put forth a position you believe in, than government can put forth a position you don't believe in.
oh how do you know you have the facts?
where did you obtain knowledge that you know you do.
blha blah blahMY STATEMENT OF POST 548 AND THE PROOF BEHIND IT.
i am sorry you are not able to determine, that i have not taken a position on whether homosexuality is normal or abnormal....in fact i have been neutral on the subject..........that is a fact i have stated at least 2 to 3 times.
for your info again, i have stated "why you you believe you have the facts, and someone with a different point of view then yours,...are said not to have facts, what leads you to believe only you can have facts, and why should they come before anyone else whom you and others dismiss?
HERES THE PROOF:
ladies and gentlemen, time to turn back the pages of time. i started at post 375.
post 380
NEUTRAL POSITION
POST 488
NEUTRAL POSITION
POST 404
POST 425
POST 428
POST 435
THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR, ..for those who like to say i have taken a position on homosexuality...i have not
i have people who believe and say they have all of the facts, however its only their point of view, and someone else who disagrees with them.... they say does not have any facts.........rather a one side argument dont you think?
blha blah blah
you lost, you got destoryed, not only did your posts step into CCs tarp you fell throught it broke your back, the tarped wrapped around you and other posters proceeded kicking your posts while they were down
sorry your obvioualy deflection failed, playing games wont work, the thread is here for all to see
but since you are so desperate to save face ill play, simple question
The info CC provided was it fact or not, yes or no
any other answer will expose your dishonesty furth and i cant wait to see if you man up and give an honest answer or try and deflect and continue the beat down of your posts, i hope you do that later because its hilarious.
again
The info CC provided was it fact or not, yes or no
sorry i did not take on CC request, so how could i step into it.......sorry agent j
was the info capt CC post fact of fiction.........answer the question agent j , since you believe it to me.......i have not stated it is or it isnt..........you fill in the blank.
please continue droning.
BOOM!, THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
you got nothing, once again you are exposed
couldnt answer the simple question
this is where your word games failed every time and nobody bought it they blasted your failed posts.
Opinions dont matter, feelings dont matter, beliefs dont matter to the FACTS
thanks you for destroying yourself and proving your posts have no integrity, watching this beat down of your posts has been GREAT entertainment
facts were presented and your continuous denial of them is what got your posts destroyed by CC and others.
thanks for playing you lose again to the facts presented
but please continue deflecting and getting owned
let us know when you have anythign to support your failed destoryed claims, we are waiting, hell give us ONE thing that supports you . . . . ONE
LOL.....i thought you said i stepped into CC'S TRAP .....
i didn't need to answer the question becuase i didnt take a postion, and i did not makes claims i had facts ......why do i need to answer?
please continue....[droning].... with your beliefs that you and only you can determine what facts are and no one who holds a different point of view than you can.
move along! move along!
still got nothing and your posts are still getting destroyed, thats what i thought
yeah yeah when CC presented facts and you said that he didnt and he only believes he did 100 times that didnt really meant anythign FAIL
your posts took the first round knock out and now its just fun watching you deny that and kicking your posts while they are down
heres the biggest failure yet, you post a lie and claim you are not taking a stance but say this "your beliefs that you and only you can determine what facts are and no one who holds a different point of view than you can."
this is what got you destroyed in CCs posts, my posts and others. Nobody is talking about beliefs this is why you continue to lose, its this completely failed argument that exposes your posts for the mentally retarded logical and failed deflection they are. I hope you never stop doubling down on this because its this exact thing that got your posts destroyed. Its hilarious.
tell us in your next post about beliefs and opinions and feelings when nobody is talking about that stuff, maybe NEXT post somebody will believe you. Oh my god i cant stop laughing.
this is where your word games failed every time, nobody bought it they blasted your failed posts.
Opinions dont matter, feelings dont matter, beliefs dont matter to the FACTS
thanks you for destroying yourself and proving your posts have no integrity, watching this beat down of your posts has been GREAT entertainment
facts were presented and your continuous denial of them is what got your posts destroyed by CC and others.
thanks for playing you lose again to the facts presented
but please continue deflecting and getting owned
let us know when you have anythign to support your failed destroyed claims, we are waiting, hell give us ONE thing that supports you . . . . ONE
......move along move along!
simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
droning?........... move along move along!
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Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.
I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.
now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.
That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc
and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao
Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.
Also to be clear Im also not saying its wrong for you to VOTE on the subject everybody has that right of course.
I myself am not gay so I REALLY feel its non of my business but has an american I have to call BS on the other so called americans that do think its there business some how.
Anyway maybe this time will be different, it’ll actually be VERY interesting if it is different. So does anybody have ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.
Who thinks they have a sound reason why they should get to tell one American consenting adults they cant marry another consenting American adult.
Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked.
Religion/god/bible – Meaningless and debunked
Slipper slope argument: I should be able to marry my dog, pedophiles marring children etc. – Ludicrous and debunked
Marriage is between a man and woman – this is a lie/opinion. Meaningless and debunked
Morals – your morals are subjective, shouldn’t be forced on others and your morals aren’t effected one bit, you still get to believe in them as you see fit. Meaningless and debunked
Gay Parents will “turn” their kids gay – LMAO this is also a uneducated fantasy. It has been proven that that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be or not be gay. It has also been proven that children raised in a multi-parent home on average do better than a single parent home no matter the sex. Ignorant and debunked
Churches will lose their rights – another silly argument that appeals to emotion and could probably be added under the “slipper slope” argument as well. Churches are already protected and will never lose their rights, they discriminate RIGHT NOW against who they want including STRAIGHT couples and will be able to continue to do so under the first amendment. Ludicrous and debunked
he presents things he says are facts, many other people in our nation, state they have facts which are counter to his.failed deflection 62, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
he presents things he says are facts, many other people in our nation, state they have facts which are counter to his.
so I didn't state he is right or wrong, I stated just because he states something is fact ,does not make it so.
failed deflection 63, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
1.)Really? Not a single one?
2.)Reasonable? By what you only will call reasonable?
3.) Logical? The law is often not logical.
4.)Non-biased? Every one has a bias even those who are "right" have a bias.
5.)Non-selfish? What does selfishness have to do whether it is right to have SSM or not?
6.) Non-arrogant? While arrogance may blind one to reality it does not necessitate it nor if you are "right" doesn't mean you are not arrogant. Hint. Hint.
7.) Non-hypercritical? While having a contrary point of view would have an appearance of being critical, it doesn't follow that having a contrary point of view being hypercritical nor would having a agreement to SSM would not mean that they would not be hypercritical or just critical.
8.) Non-anti American? So if someone has a particular view and it opposes something that you believe it then becomes anti-American?
9.)This is called setting up straw man arguments. I do not expect that the majority of people who are opposed to SSM would necessarily fall under these.
10.)Marriages exist for certain reasons some of which do not involve the couple directly. They would include making an environment be more to care for offspring (which benefits society as a whole) Allowing society to define limits and rights and responsibilities on conduct of persons in a family group. This again benefits society.
11.)Irregardless how you can put it, having SSM requires the change of the definition of marriage and since marriage is very much a societal institution it would require an agreement thought society to agree to the change. It cannot be imposed by courts or just legislation since you want to override the States that would oppose SSM. This will require an Amendment to the Constitution.
12.) Individually people can have sex with any willing partner that can give consent, they can go to orgies, or engage in any weird activity if it suits their purposes. People can live together if they want. However, marriage is an institution and is not something that one should engage in just because that would be convenient. It has a definition of being between one man and one woman and if you want to expand that between any two people (who are not 1st degree relatives) then it is incumbent for you and those who favor SSM to put up arguments to expand that definition and just saying it is your "Right" to do so or that since that people of diffrent races were banned and now is wrong means that we should just accept it will not pass muster. You need to show that it should be changed an you must understand that you cannot just go thru the courts to do so.
13.)Thank you for your consideration.
14.)Perhaps you should consider to what extent just about everything has become everyone's business and how and thru what processes it became that way.
15.) It is a change in the definition on what marriage means. For more than a thousand years it has meant such there needs to be considerable discussion and argument to change it. Perhaps a Constitutional Amendment if you want all States being forced to accept it.
16.) Let any couple do as they will; but you are requiring acceptance that is against the understanding of what marriage is by forcing the issue and there is a lot of legal force with the status of being married.
17.)As so long as churches are not being forced to do marriages then this is not an issue.
18.)This is an issue to an extent since once the door is open to gay marriage the proponents to the others will try. not succeed but try, to promote and validate their ideals.
19.)WRONG. From the point of Western culture this is the definition. And if there is anything that can be agree ed upon is the US is Western in its views.
20.) Morals are meaningless with respect to marriage since it is an institution that has strict parameters for what it entails. In this morality has no say. Violations are a matter of law and not morals.
21.)You can have this one.
22.)The problem is that there are people who belive that Churches should have no rights and be merely hollow extensions of the society in general or that of the State. And they too like to use the Courts to bypass the problems that would occur with trying to legislate.
23.)Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
he presents things he says are facts, many other people in our nation, state they have facts which are counter to his.
and its that exact thinking that makes your post a failure
failed deflection 63, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
I don't know if he did or not, are there people in our world who would have a different point of view then CC and say they have the facts....yes there are.
just because CC says he has the facts does not make them facts for everyone, maybe you think they are, but that's you.
just because some says they have the facts, that does not empower them to override other people who say they have the facts. your side of your claimed facts, does not give you authority
and its that exact thinking that makes your post a failure
failed deflection 64, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
there will be no yes or no from me, because I am not stating he is right or wrong, or can you not figure that out yet?
he and you believe he has the facts...other people would say you don't have the facts and they do.
can only you and CC have facts and no one else can?
and its that exact thinking that makes your post a failure
failed deflection 65, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
he thinks he did, so do you.....I don't know, ....others would say no.
and its that exact thinking that makes your post a failure
failed deflection 66, simply stay on topic, stop deflecting and answer the question?
did CC present facts. Yes or no?
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