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Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)

Gay Marriage, is it right to stop it? (PART II)


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Hello everyone, the other thread reached almost 2000 posts and 192 pages!!!!
It had to be closed because at around 2000 post it becomes taxing on the server, thanks independent_thinker2002

Anyway lets keep it going since we had some great talks, some people even woke up and saw theres no reason and some had some at least semi-sensible new angles but still fell short. Not to mention I wanna continue because its funs and supports my research.

Heres the link below and Ill also repost the OP.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/71580-gay-marriage-right-stop.html

Also just for an FYI the poll was spammed and the new one will be public but last CC (Captain Courtesy) checked it mirrored the results of the others I have conducted under THIS premise or is it right to stop not what you believe and that was AROUND 75% no and 25% yes.

Now on to the OP
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Not only am I looking for your opinion im looking for your reasoning if your answer is yes.

I have discussed gay marriage many many times and have yet to hear ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage. Almost every reason I have ever heard was also used about women’s rights, equal rights, interracial marriage etc. the reason were dumb illogical then and the most certainly still are today, even more so since not only common sense and facts proves them wrong but history.

now mind you, pay attention to my verbiage, I said reason to STOP it.

That means in America I think its fine for anybody to:
THINK its wrong, gross or offensive etc
TEACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
PREACH its wrong gross or offensive etc
BELIEVE its wrong gross or offensive etc
FEEL its wrong gross or offensive etc
etc

and i also believe and support in your rights to do so but once you try to stop it I think you wrong on so many levels.
I can’t imagine how AMERICANS think they have the right to tell two CONSENTING ADULTS who and who they cant marry lmao

Does it get anymore pompous, arrogant, selfish, hypercritical and anti american than that. How anybody thinks they have the right to tell a consenting adult they cant marry another consenting adult is beyond me.

Also to be clear Im also not saying its wrong for you to VOTE on the subject everybody has that right of course.

I myself am not gay so I REALLY feel its non of my business but has an american I have to call BS on the other so called americans that do think its there business some how.

Anyway maybe this time will be different, it’ll actually be VERY interesting if it is different. So does anybody have ONE sound, reasonable, logical, non-bais, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason to "Stop" gay marriage.

Who thinks they have a sound reason why they should get to tell one American consenting adults they cant marry another consenting American adult.


Also for some reference Ill try to list the general reasons people thought of that have been thoroughly debunked.

Religion/god/bibleMeaningless and debunked

Slipper slope argument: I should be able to marry my dog, pedophiles marring children etc. – Ludicrous and debunked

Marriage is between a man and woman – this is a lie/opinion. Meaningless and debunked

Morals – your morals are subjective, shouldn’t be forced on others and your morals aren’t effected one bit, you still get to believe in them as you see fit. Meaningless and debunked

Gay Parents will “turn” their kids gay – LMAO this is also a uneducated fantasy. It has been proven that that children raised by gay parents are no more likely to be or not be gay. It has also been proven that children raised in a multi-parent home on average do better than a single parent home no matter the sex. Ignorant and debunked

Churches will lose their rights – another silly argument that appeals to emotion and could probably be added under the “slipper slope” argument as well. Churches are already protected and will never lose their rights, they discriminate RIGHT NOW against who they want including STRAIGHT couples and will be able to continue to do so under the first amendment. Ludicrous and debunked

Alright heres the most current update and lets have fun!
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how many sound, reasonable, logical, non-bias, non-selfish, non-arrogant, non-hypercritical, non anti-american reason are there to "Stop" gay marriage

GOOD REASONS: 0
 

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The only reason to stop it would be because it's called "marriage". Otherwise, no reason to stop it at all.
 

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The only reason to stop it would be because it's called "marriage". Otherwise, no reason to stop it at all.

explain?
Because in reality and based on law and prior discussions thats absolutely no no reason it at all. Marriage is exactly what it will be and should be not to discriminate and to be equal. And for those that want to continue their OPINION thats its not can still have that opinion JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW

even though all these marriages exist people still dont believe in them
people still dont believe in interracial marriage
people still dont believe in non-religious marriage
people still dont believe in a discrepancy of religion between partners for marriage
people still dont believe in a discrepancy between wealth for marriage
people still dont believe in a citizen with a foreigner for marriage
people still dont believe in a large age discrepancy to be marriage
etc etc etc

all these marriages above and many more people still dont BELIEVE in even though they are legal

so calling it marriage is perfectly fine and how it should be
 

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When ever I hear someone use the "slippery slope" theory concerning gay marriage... I LMAO :lamo

I think you hit the nail on the head, Centrist. It is fine to believe gay marriage is wrong, but once you start trying to actually block it you move into the realm of being un-America. People can be against gay marriage all they want... though I disagree with them, they are still entitled to their opinion. But once people start denying one group of people what another group of people have, that's when I have a problem. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is?

Edit: Centrist, you left out the "marriage is for starting a family and procreating" argument. Also false.
 
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explain?
Because in reality and based on law and prior discussions thats absolutely no no reason it at all. Marriage is exactly what it will be and should be not to discriminate and to be equal. And for those that want to continue their OPINION thats its not can still have that opinion JUST LIKE RIGHT NOW

even though all these marriages exist people still dont believe in them
I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.
 

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I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.

No we are not all set, all marriages or just gay marriage?

If it just gay marriage then it is EASILY argued discrimination whether you acknowledge that or not and you need to be able to defend your stand instead of just being smug LMAO

If its all marriages thats a waste of time and will never be done.
 
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No we are not all set, all marriages or just gay marriage?

If it just gay marriage then it is EASILY argued discrimination whether you acknowledge that or not and you need to be apply to defend your stand instead of just being smug LMAO

So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?
 

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So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?

Equaity. Call it what it is: Marriage.
 

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So what's more important --- what homosexual unions are called, or the benefits that are derived from the legal recognition of such a union?

Not discriminating is the most important which means BOTH are important.

So im guessing that is your stance then, you'll support it as long as its not called marriage?
Like I already asked why? support your opinion.
 

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Not discriminating is the most important which means BOTH are important.

So im guessing that is your stance then, you'll support it as long as its not called marriage?
Like I already asked why? support your opinion.

Guess? I said it twice already... glad your finally catching up.

Why? Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. <enter name here> is the union between a man/man or woman/woman.
 

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Guess? I said it twice already... glad your finally catching up.

Why? Marriage is a union between a man and a woman. <enter name here> is the union between a man/man or woman/woman.

more smugness only exposes you and will not make you right LMAO

the bold above is nothing more than your opinion, its already already been debunked and proved irreverent in the eyes of the law.
 

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..Religion/god/bible –]Meaningless and debunked...

God is not "meaningless and debunked". He says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. I'm not going to fck with Him.
 

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God is not "meaningless and debunked". He says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. I'm not going to fck with Him.

As far as AMERICA and the LAWS are concerned he absolutley is.

Now as far as your opinion and feeling that you dont want to "fck with him" (which is very holy by the way lol)you still get to continue having and living that opinion. Gay marriage will have ZERO effect on that. LOL

You still get to believe what ever you want.
 

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God is not "meaningless and debunked". He says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. I'm not going to fck with Him.

Then don't. Others however may not share your views and may choose to do otherwise, it is free will, and I think your god has weighed in on the free will issue correct? So if others want to **** with him (or your concept of him), so be it, that is their prerogative
 

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Separate but equal?

I'm not saying discriminate --- I'm saying call it something else other than the word "marriage". Then we're all set. I can't make it any simpler and really can't explain any more than I already have. Either you can read, comprehend and process my view, or you cannot.
 

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No cheeseburgers for you then, I take it? And no slacks as well. There's all manner of laws you need to be following. - vulgarity is a no-no, by the way. Ephesians 4:29 tells us, "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen." and etc.

God is not "meaningless and debunked". He says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. I'm not going to fck with Him.
 

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When ever I hear someone use the "slippery slope" theory concerning gay marriage... I LMAO :lamo

I think you hit the nail on the head, Centrist. It is fine to believe gay marriage is wrong, but once you start trying to actually block it you move into the realm of being un-America. People can be against gay marriage all they want... though I disagree with them, they are still entitled to their opinion. But once people start denying one group of people what another group of people have, that's when I have a problem. If that isn't discrimination, I don't know what is?

Edit: Centrist, you left out the "marriage is for starting a family and procreating" argument. Also false.


yes the slipper slop argument is a serious loser and exposes your inttelect

and yeah I left out quite a few that i just kind of group together but you are right people did try the "family" thing a couple times and thats a clear failure. The law doesnt ask, care or require off spring to get married and people get married everyday that already know they dont want kids and cant have kids.

Not to mention if you want to talk about protecting kids and doing something in their interest which is a separate debate its already proven that kids raised by gay parents are no more or less likely to be gay and kids raised with multi-parents no matter the sex on avg do better than single parent homes so again that a losing argument
 

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As far as AMERICA and the LAWS are concerned he absolutley is.Now as far as your opinion and feeling that you dont want to "fck with him" (which is very holy by the way lol)you still get to continue having and living that opinion. Gay marriage will have ZERO effect on that. LOL.You still get to believe what ever you want.
God says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. He says marriage is between a man and a woman. It's Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve. If homosexuals want to spit in His face and get married, they will pay the consequences, not me. So I guess I really don't care what they do. I just don't support it.
 

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So's shellfish. Are you picketing Red Lobster?

God says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. He says marriage is between a man and a woman. It's Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve. If homosexuals want to spit in His face and get married, they will pay the consequences, not me. So I guess I really don't care what they do. I just don't support it.
 

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No. I don't care about shellfish. I care about preserving the traditional American family, morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and the Word of God. I'm not bothering/picketing homosexuals, either.
 

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No. I don't care about shellfish. I care about preserving the traditional American family, morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and the Word of God. I'm not bothering/picketing homosexuals, either.

Then go to church, raise what you consider to be a traditional American family and pass your morals onto them (although when they grow up they will likely have their own that you may not entirely agree with)
 

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Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose which verses to apply.

People love each other and want to be married. It's a very black-and-white issue. If a man can marry a woman, then a woman has the equal, legal right to marry a woman. It's not complicated.

Do you even KNOW any gays or lesbians? Why do you assume that they are immoral, unethical, and lacking in honor and integrity? That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with!



No. I don't care about shellfish. I care about preserving the traditional American family, morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and the Word of God. I'm not bothering/picketing homosexuals, either.
 

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God says in His Word that homosexuality is an abomination. He says marriage is between a man and a woman. It's Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve. If homosexuals want to spit in His face and get married, they will pay the consequences, not me. So I guess I really don't care what they do. I just don't support it.

nor will you have too it has no effect on you what so ever and as long as its a consenting adult its none of your business who people marry just like its none of my business who you marry.

What if my god says only way to marry is to be my religion should I go fight for that? should i stop your marriages or try to get all other marriages unrecognized? of course not

religion plays zero role in this debate
 

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No. I don't care about shellfish. I care about preserving the traditional American family, morals, ethics, honor, integrity, and the Word of God. I'm not bothering/picketing homosexuals, either.

again all meaningless and nothing more than you opinion
and you just admitted to being a hypocrite
 

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Sorry, you don't get to pick and choose which verses to apply.People love each other and want to be married. It's a very black-and-white issue. If a man can marry a woman, then a woman has the equal, legal right to marry a woman. It's not complicated.Do you even KNOW any gays or lesbians? Why do you assume that they are immoral, unethical, and lacking in honor and integrity? That's a pretty broad brush you're painting with!

Homosexuality is wrong. God said so. That's enough for me. I obey His Word. Yes I know homosexuals. I find it creepy. My skin crawls when I'm around them even when I don't know for sure about their orientation.
 
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