Gay couples, ACLU seek Fla. marriage recognition[W:134]

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
How so? They are equally bad in the Bible. Are you discussing your personal feelings or beliefs based on your religion?

You need to read all my posts.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

roguenuke said:
Are you trying to say that states or organizations fighting same sex marriage being legal, fighting for bans on same sex marriage don't have the funds to do this? Because that belief holds no water. In fact, when it comes to states defending this discrimination, it is our tax dollars being spent to defend this unconstitutional crap.

I don't know of any state saying we're going to use tax payer funds to fight the homosexual marriage issue.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

AGENT J said:
your opinion of sexual deviates is meaningless nor does it impact the institution, since that is just a subjective thing that you make up for you and you are in control of it.

No I read it in a book.

Sababa · Mar 14, 2014

Deuce said:
Name calling is childish.

I am sorry I noticed that you didn't say that when someone was calling gays perverts..... hmmmmmmmmm

Lursa · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
It still is comparing apples to oranges but who cares the damage is done and the sacred side of marriage is ruined, thanks.

It was ruined along time ago...probably never was actually treated as sacred by individuals...by the cheaters, wife beaters, divorces.

So all I read from you is hypocrisy....you dont like gays and cant keep your mind out of their bedrooms...the problem is with you, not marriage and not gays.

AGENT J · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
.......and morals have nothing to do with right or wrong.

since we are talkign about law and legal right and wrong you are 100% correct, your morals are meaningless to law, just like mine

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
There was no drama...just facts. Like how the Bible describes those sins...ignored. Like how people said interracial marriage was 'fouling' it...*just like YOU*......it's not about the 'reason,' like race or sex....it's about how ignorant people view it and judge it.

You had no answer for a single thing in my post. Noted.

Have you ever had a class in reading comprehension or do you just draw conclusions where ever you feel like?

roguenuke · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
I don't know of any state saying we're going to use tax payer funds to fight the homosexual marriage issue.

If they are fighting the challenges to those laws, then they are tax payer funded. Heck, tax payers paid millions for the House to defend DOMA, and look where that got them.

House GOP Boosts Funds for DOMA Legal Defense : Roll Call Policy

It appears like you have no idea how things are funded within our government. How else would the state pay for lawyers and experts and research to try to defend its laws?

AGENT J · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
No I read it in a book.

doesnt matter where you get your subjective opinion from its still just your meaningless subjective opinion when referring to rights and factual definitions

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

roguenuke said:
Immorality is another way of saying "you are doing something I think is wrong". It is subjective, just as "bad behavior" is.

Sure if you throw out all social norms.

Lursa · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
.......and morals have nothing to do with right or wrong.

I would LOVE to see 'morals' and 'morality' defined....please. You seem to know for sure.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
Please explain how something that harms no one else (nor themselves) can be immoral?

Lots of things are 'sins' according to the Bible, still doenst make them immoral. And all other sinners are allowed to marry so it still doesnt even make sense....you just dont like thinking about all that geigh sex....so dont....it's none of your business and you are some kind of a pervert if that is the only thing you think of when you think of gay people.

Is sex the only thing you think about when you look at straight couples? (That would be creepy too).

You can always count on the progressives to resort to insults.

Lursa · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
Have you ever had a class in reading comprehension or do you just draw conclusions where ever you feel like?

I can tell when someone answers a direct question and when they try to avoid it.

roguenuke · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
Sure if you throw out all social norms.

Social norms don't mean anything to this discussion. No one is normal.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
Why would you care if there were civil unions? You wouldnt get one, would you? Why would you?

You would be happy being married in the church, with none of the govt-provided benefits and privileges, correct?

Not only that, Christian gays believe the same things you do, and deserve the same marriages...they are exactly the same to them. Thankfully, many Christian churches will marry them so they can enjoy the same marriage as you.

I think all of us should have civil unions for legal purposes. If progressives feel good doing what their doing then more power to you. I will always obey the law.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
It was ruined along time ago...probably never was actually treated as sacred by individuals...by the cheaters, wife beaters, divorces.

So all I read from you is hypocrisy....you dont like gays and cant keep your mind out of their bedrooms...the problem is with you, not marriage and not gays.

Wrong is wrong by anybody. I do appreciate your civil tone while you fire out your insults.

Lursa · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
You can always count on the progressives to resort to insults.

I've not done so until there....because it's the only conclusion I can draw from your posts...you cannot answer my questions rationally. You cannot answer how it is 'immoral' and/or how you feel you are entitled to imposing your personal beliefs on other Americans.

You cannot explain how homosexuality is different than fornication or adultery when the BIBLE judges them the same....yet those people are allowed to marry.

And you continually refer to gay sex as the reason they should be prevented from marrying...when sex is not a requirement for marriage nor is it any of your business. *IT MEANS* that is the only way that you think of gays...with regards to their having sex....which is IMO perverted. That reduces human beings down to nothing but their sex acts....and is also hypocritical if you dont do the same for straight couples.

So I'm just reacting to what I'm reading. If you dont like the conclusions I'm drawing, do a better job of explaining.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

AGENT J said:
since we are talkign about law and legal right and wrong you are 100% correct, your morals are meaningless to law, just like mine

I don't what you have are called morals.

Lursa · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
Wrong is wrong by anybody. I do appreciate your civil tone while you fire out your insults.

So if everyone else can be wrong and marry...why cant gays?

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

roguenuke said:
If they are fighting the challenges to those laws, then they are tax payer funded. Heck, tax payers paid millions for the House to defend DOMA, and look where that got them.

House GOP Boosts Funds for DOMA Legal Defense : Roll Call Policy

It appears like you have no idea how things are funded within our government. How else would the state pay for lawyers and experts and research to try to defend its laws?

Thank you for pointing out my ignorance. Think reading comprehension.

roguenuke · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
I don't know of any state saying we're going to use tax payer funds to fight the homosexual marriage issue.

Oh, and just to add to my previous answer without interrupting any potential replies to it, here are what some states have to say on how defending same sex marriage bans are paid for:

Utah Plans To Spend $2 Million In Taxpayer Dollars To Defend Anti-Gay Discrimination | ThinkProgress

New Utah AG: Cost to defend same-sex marriage ban worthwhile :: The Salt Lake Tribune

"However, Tarbet revealed that Monte N. Stewart, a Boise attorney and founding president of the Utah-based Marriage Law Foundation, has helped the state craft its legal theory so far and will be the attorney of record on the stay application. Stewart also will assist the state with its appeal to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in what could be an estimated $2 million legal battle over Amendment 3."

PA-Gov: Tom Corbett's (R) Lawsuit To Uphold PA's Same-Sex Marriage Ban Costs Taxpayers $400 An Hour

"Taxpayers will spend $400 an hour — and possibly a lot more — for Gov. Tom Corbett to hire an outside law firm to fight a federal lawsuit challenging the state's 1996 ban on gay marriage. "

Just to give you a couple.

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

AGENT J said:
doesnt matter where you get your subjective opinion from its still just your meaningless subjective opinion when referring to rights and factual definitions

It was a book on official objective opinions.

AGENT J · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
I don't what you have are called morals.

try again, i have no clue what this says

sneakosview · Mar 14, 2014

Lursa said:
I would LOVE to see 'morals' and 'morality' defined....please. You seem to know for sure.

Are you referring to those based on Judeo/Christian values or the other kind?

AGENT J · Mar 14, 2014

sneakosview said:
It was a book on official objective opinions.

your subjective opinion of the book is still just your meaningless subjective opinion when referring to rights and factual definitions

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