Children do not have a right to any particular familial arrangement. If they did, divorce would be illegal. So would getting pregnant out of wedlock. So would adoption by single parents. So on and so forth. This right spoken of by this idiot is a complete fabrication.
Nearly all children of LGBT folks are wanted children. They are almost never accidents that happened on a careless dalliance.
And, if marriage was about children, all couples would be required to give birth to, or otherwise acquire children in order to complete the marriage process. It really wouldn't be that hard to make it so. We don't do it because that isn't what marriage is.
Kids should have no impact on the discussion about gay marriage for another reason (besides the fact that having kids is not and has never been a requirement for getting married, as already pointed out here)
Gay people have kids anyway...married or not. Yes, they reproduce, all the time. The men father kids and the women have babies. Just like any other people, they do it within and outside of committed relationships. The kids are there, one way or another. Seems like a committed relationship, like marriage, would be better in general.
Marriage has always been about children,
In general biological parents are best, which is why most crime is committed by those without a father in the home or some other broken home situation.
In general biological parents are best, which is why most crime is committed by those without a father in the home or some other broken home situation.
Do you support the dissolution of marriages for the infertile? Elderly, sterile, etc?
And in magical unicorn land where this was always possible, is this a solid legal, libertarian argument for banning same-sex marriage?
How about in the real world?
What does that have to do with biological parents? My kids are adopted. Say what you want about gays, but leave adopted kids out of it.
For banning it? No. For getting the state out of licensing it and marriage altogether? Sure, I think that there is a strong case to make.
It's funny how nobody ever made the argument that "the state should just get out of marriage entirely" before the gay marriage issue existed.
Finally some sanity.
Why don't you tell me what the libertarian position on children is then, since you apparently know it so well.
Elimination of laws specifying homosexuality as grounds for denying the right of adoption.
Elimination of laws specifying homosexuality as grounds for denying the right of adoption.
Again, so what? I don’t care if there are three fathers and six mothers. If it’s a stable relationship and the kids are connected with their parents, that’s great.
In the meantime, libertarians — especially Ron and Rand Paul — need to advocate for the rights of homosexuals. Both have predicated their positions on gay marriage with the view that homosexuality is a sin, and marriage should subsequently be between heterosexual couples. Whatever their moral predilections, as libertarians they should know better than to rely on such a flimsy justification. Liberty requires not only tolerance for those who choose to live in ways you don't approve, but — so long as they do not violate they rights of another man — the steadfast insistence that others have the ability to make decisions for themselves.
It is disgraceful that we grant government officials the power to even examine such things, let alone criminalize any peaceful conduct between consenting adults or punish them with unequal marriage, adoption, tax, or immigration laws."
Except that most children of LGBT relationships are from previous marriages, so there's that. The myth of the gay couple that adopts children and raise them to adulthood is pretty much a myth. It's exceedingly rare.
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In general biological parents are best, which is why most crime is committed by those without a father in the home or some other broken home situation.
Do you have any links to studies that support that? And I dont mean studies from religious or 'Family First!' sites that are against gay marriage. I mean from actual scientific, peer-reviewed research.
No, when I say parents, I mean parents, not parent. Both biological parents, mother and father.BTW, the second part of your sentence makes no sense with the first part, as children of single parent homes are almost always with a BIOLOGICAL parent.
FAIL.
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Care to back that up with some data? It's gotten pretty common. My cousin did it with his partner back in 2001. And they adopted within the US. Many also adopt internationally. It's only gotten more common.
(Not sure why it matters how the couple comes across it's kids tho...lots of mixed hetero families too, with stepkids,etc)
Care to elaborate?
Yet you've never presented one with me.
The studies posted suffer from major problems of convenience sampling
asking questions about children during childhood and not adulthood
not asking the children themselves
not controlling for lurking variables
being conducted by biased researchers
and comparing to single heterosexual parents and not just married heterosexual and biological parents.
Here I will quote from a far more recent (2012) and comprehensive study:
How different are the adult children of parents who have same-sex relationships? Findings from the New Family Structures Study
The article is behind a paywall, so either get yourself to a library or ask me if you have a specific question.
There is much more, but I'd rather not get into copyright issues. I will just highlight the fields where children from gay couples tend to have statistically significant higher rates:
Marijuana use
Frequency of smoking
Frequency of watching tv
Frequency of having been arrested
Frequency of female sex partners (among women)
Frequency of male sex partners (among women)
CES-D Depression index
Current relationship in trouble
And fields where children of gay couples tend to have statistically significant lower rates:
Education attainment
Family of origin safety/security
Self-reported physical health (only for lesbian mothers)
Level of household income
No, I pointed out major flaws in the studies, and then offered a better study that doesn't have these faults.
Isn't it funny how you can post studies that come to opposite conclusions and that's great evidence for why gays should get married, yet when I post a study that comes to the opposite conclusion it is suddenly irrelevant.
I've said nothing about letting gays get married. Having kids, however, seems to be a much thornier issue than gay activists are willing to admit.
So now Fox News, and even more hilarious, the Libertarian Party, decides what is libertarian? I guess then because I don't support abortion or medical savings accounts that I'm not a real libertarian. :roll:
Which is irrelevant, so I am not sure why you are bringing it up.Except that most children of LGBT relationships are from previous marriages, so there's that. The myth of the gay couple that adopts children and raise them to adulthood is pretty much a myth. It's exceedingly rare.
Marriage has always been about children, which is one reason why I hate that the state gives out marriage licenses. The whole concept of marriage has been bastardized through the state through marriage licensing and no-fault divorce.
If it doesn't matter that they are not traditional parents (opposite gender), why would it matter if they are traditionally married (as opposed to common law, domestic partners, etc)?
or the horrors imposed on many children by opposite sex parents. While I agree that there is a traditional model of a family that can be superior to any other modern interpretation of marriage and family...it's certainly been far more abused and battered by heterosexuals than it has been by homosexuals.
So now Fox News, and even more hilarious, the Libertarian Party, decides what is libertarian? I guess then because I don't support abortion or medical savings accounts that I'm not a real libertarian. :roll:
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