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This is an interesting bit of info by David Wood

Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslim evangelists are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths. This propaganda is, in turn, repeated verbatim by other unsuspecting (yet sincere) Muslims and well-meaning progressives outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games, and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous and false claims about Islam and its history.

If someone is to question one, just point it out.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent”

“Other Religions Kill Too”

“Where Does the Quran Say to Kill Innocent People?”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

The Andalusian Paradise (Tolerance in Muslim Spain)

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone!”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are to Only Kill in Self-Defense”

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context"

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion"

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic"

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"

"Suicide Bombings are Against Islam"

"It's a Phobia: More People are Killed by Bathtubs Than Terrorists"

"You Can Only Learn Islam from a Muslim"

"Under Sharia, Your Loans are Interest-Free!"
 
This is an interesting bit of info by David Wood

Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslim evangelists are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths. This propaganda is, in turn, repeated verbatim by other unsuspecting (yet sincere) Muslims and well-meaning progressives outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games, and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous and false claims about Islam and its history.

If someone is to question one, just point it out.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent”

“Other Religions Kill Too”

“Where Does the Quran Say to Kill Innocent People?”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

The Andalusian Paradise (Tolerance in Muslim Spain)

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone!”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are to Only Kill in Self-Defense”

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context"

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion"

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic"

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"

"Suicide Bombings are Against Islam"

"It's a Phobia: More People are Killed by Bathtubs Than Terrorists"

"You Can Only Learn Islam from a Muslim"

"Under Sharia, Your Loans are Interest-Free!"

All correct, but you forgot one of the biggest lies of all:

"Islam means peace in English".
 
This is an interesting bit of info by David Wood

Given Islam's violent history and the unfavorable contrast that its oppressive practices have against 21st century values, Muslim evangelists are hard-pressed to repackage their faith in the modern age. Apologists have come to rely on tricks involving semantics and half-truths. This propaganda is, in turn, repeated verbatim by other unsuspecting (yet sincere) Muslims and well-meaning progressives outside the faith.

Here we try to expose some of these games, and help truth-seekers find their way through the maze of disingenuous and false claims about Islam and its history.

If someone is to question one, just point it out.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent”

“Other Religions Kill Too”

“Where Does the Quran Say to Kill Innocent People?”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

The Andalusian Paradise (Tolerance in Muslim Spain)

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone!”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are to Only Kill in Self-Defense”

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context"

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion"

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic"

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"

"Suicide Bombings are Against Islam"

"It's a Phobia: More People are Killed by Bathtubs Than Terrorists"

"You Can Only Learn Islam from a Muslim"

"Under Sharia, Your Loans are Interest-Free!"

Man you haaaaaaaaate muslims
 
So you agree with the op that Islam is a religion of hate and violence?


Did anybody say so?

No.

But there is a list of white lies, that defenders of Islam often use:


If someone is to question one, just point it out.

The Games:

“If Islam Were a Violent Religion, then All Muslims Would be Violent”

“Other Religions Kill Too”

“Where Does the Quran Say to Kill Innocent People?”

Muhammad Preached 'No Compulsion in Religion' (Quran: 2:256)

The Crusades

The Andalusian Paradise (Tolerance in Muslim Spain)

“Muhammad Never Killed Anyone!”

The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

"Muslims are to Only Kill in Self-Defense”

"Verses of Violence are Taken Out of Context"

"Islam Must be True Because It is the World’s Fastest Growing Religion"

"The Quran can Only be Understood in Arabic"

"Terrorists Can't be Muslim Because They Kill Muslims"

"Suicide Bombings are Against Islam"

"It's a Phobia: More People are Killed by Bathtubs Than Terrorists"

"You Can Only Learn Islam from a Muslim"

"Under Sharia, Your Loans are Interest-Free!"
 
The Quran Teaches that All Life is Sacred (Quran 5:32)

I just finished dealing with this in my 'Qur'an in Chronological Order' thread. I have since rewritten it to add more detail, so here's what I have now:


In describing the murder of Abel, the Qur'an reveals one of its most purposely misquoted passages. Those who want to depict Islam as a religion of peace frequently cite the first part of verse 5:32 while intentionally skipping the conditional phrase in the middle of it. The entire passage reads, "For that cause [the killing of Abel] We decreed for the Children of Israel [Jews] that whoever kills a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption [fasad] in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoever saves the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind". To quote this passage minus the underlined caveat, as many do, is to tell the first half of a lie of omission.

The deception is completed by simply pretending that the next verse, 5:33, does not exist. It states that those who are guilty of causing corruption (fasad) are to be killed or otherwise punished, "The recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption [fasad] is they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land".

Now that we see that killing is not actually prohibited, but in fact mandated, the next step is to define who qualifies for righteous slaughter. The key is in understanding the meaning of 'fasad'. In its various forms (verb, noun, and participle) it appears 50 times in the Qur'an, and is translated as 'corruption', 'mischief', and obvious synonyms. Given that the entire Qur'an is based on delineating the difference between belief and disbelief, and given the context in which 'fasad' is used throughout the Qur'an, it is obvious that it is a synonym for disbelief in Islam. For example:
- 8:73 not only ties 'fasad' to disbelief, but shows it as being synonymous with 'fitnah', "As for the unbelievers, they are friends one of another. Unless you [Muslims] do this [unite in friendship], there will be persecution [fitnah] in the land and great corruption [fasad]".
- 16:88 is another direct link of 'fasad' to disbelief, "Those that disbelieve and bar from the way of God ... they were doing corruption [fasad]".
- 38:28 is a rhetorical question meant to highlight that believers (Muslims) are superior to, and therefore the opposite of, those who commit 'fasad', "Shall We make those who believe and do righteous deeds as [equals to] the workers of corruption [fasad] in the earth?".

The propaganda value of reading verse 5:32 in redacted form is immense. The phrase, "whoever kills a human being, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind", is the very definition of peace and harmony. However, when read in full, and in the violent consequential context of verse 5:33, it is actually calling for the death of unbelievers for the sin of committing 'fasad'. The true meaning of verses 5:32 and 5:33 could not be more clear; nor could the attempts of some to hide that fact.
 
Did anybody say so?

No.

But there is a list of white lies, that defenders of Islam often use:

I will ask you directly



Is islam a religion of violence and hate?
 
Did anybody say so?

No.

I will. Islam is absolutely a religion of hate and violence. "Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith (2:98)". The Qur'an drives this point home in many hundreds of verses.
 
I will. Islam is absolutely a religion of hate and violence. "Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith (2:98)". The Qur'an drives this point home in many hundreds of verses.

Then so is christanity and judaism
 
I will ask you directly



Is islam a religion of violence and hate?

I answer you directly:

Nearly every religion on earth shows signs of violence and hate - I am sorry to say.

That does not mean that religions do not have good points as well.

But sadly enough, religions can be mis-used for violence and hatred.
 
I answer you directly:

Nearly every religion on earth shows signs of violence and hate - I am sorry to say.

That does not mean that religions do not have good points as well.

But sadly enough, religions can be mis-used for violence and hatred.

Yes. Christianity has often had its verses used to promote hate and violence
 
So you agree with the op that Islam is a religion of hate and violence?

And control.

I do, but, I feel that way about most religions, and they rarely fail to disappoint.
 
I will. Islam is absolutely a religion of hate and violence. "Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith (2:98)". The Qur'an drives this point home in many hundreds of verses.

And pious Bible Christians tell us all the time that "non-believers" will all end up in hell, including all Catholics and all other Christians, who are not pious Bible Christians.
So there ...
 
And pious Bible Christians tell us all the time that "non-believers" will all end up in hell, including all Catholics and all other Christians, who are not pious Bible Christians.
So there ...

So start a thread.
 
I feel that way about most religions, and they rarely fail to disappoint.

Sadly - you are only too right.

We have the "good" example of those pious Bible Christians here, who think that everybody else will end up in hell.
And who re-joice about it.
 
Sadly - you are only too right.

We have the "good" example of those pious Bible Christians here, who think that everybody else will end up in hell.
And who re-joice about it.

Wrong, so stop spreading your ignorant, vicious lies...neither God nor His followers rejoice over anyone being destroyed...if we did, we'd not try so hard to convince them there is a God who cares about them...

"Jehovah is not slow concerning his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with you because he does not desire anyone to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9
 
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