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Yep... it probably makes her proud. I know I would be. And yes.. she is very conservation minded.
Its attitudes like yours that have led in part to the extinction and continued extinction of animals all over the planet.
The point is though. Why would you want to for 'fun' ?
People die needlessly every year climbing mountains. We know it can be done, why do it?
that's the worst part about it... those whom object are the very ones whose idea of banning such hunting leads to decreased survivability of herds... and they can't for the life of them understand why that is.
it's not a very good idea to replace science with personal emotions..
Just to point out that what you described was most likely completely illegal.. and at the very least completely unethical and you would be hard pressed to find any hunting organization that would support the above and would most likely be adamantly against it.
Yep... it probably makes her proud. I know I would be. And yes.. she is very conservation minded.
Lots of people try to rationalize lack of empathy for their fellow man. There are various reasons for the floppy morality, mostly dealing with either emotional outburst or trying to reverse engineer an argument. As I said, I wouldn't necessarily say it's a good thing. Even murderers deserve some amount of empathy, I'm not for needless torture or suffering imposed upon them; they are still human.
There is a distinct possibility that the elephant owes its existance to managed big game hunting. Several African countries protect their herds very well and now there are more elephants locally than the range can support. They are now eating crops.
Well thought out big game hunting not only allows the local elephant herds to be managed, but as big game hunts are very expensive permit wise and involve alot of "over the top" luxury accomodations, they bring alot of money into the local economy. As another poster mentioned, the people in the area then see the animals as a renewable recesource that they need to protect- instead of viewing them as 10 ton pests.
The local guides, the local schools, and the local clinic are probably also proud that they have a renewable natural recourse that people want to pay big money to harvest (Ok, to shoot).
Modern Big Game outfitters not only practice responsible herd management, but they regularly involve the local people in all aspects of the industry and also make donations to local schoools, clinics etc. According to a business friend that I knew 12 years ago, permits to hunt "Big Five" type game run upto $35,000 dollars. Predator permits were even more. Needless to say, the prices are even higher today- which is more incentive for local people to protect their (not PETA's) renewable natural recesources.
Long-awaited study suggests that many of the continent's elephant populations could be wiped out in ten years.
The most comprehensive survey of elephant poaching to date has estimated that 100,000 African elephants were illegally killed between 2010 and 2012.
During 2011 alone, roughly one of every twelve African elephants was killed by a poacher.
This is nothing to do with the love of hunting or conservation and everything to do with a love of killing. Having seen elephants and giraffes in the wild in Kenya there is no hunting involved in finding them because they are large easy to find and dont tend to run away :roll:
Its the killing that makes her proud all the rest is just apologism to excuse that base desire
Nonsense. Unless someone is poaching (the real crime) the locals get the animal, end of story. Does not matter who shoots it. Thinning the herd is as necessary for them as it is for deer here.
if the hunter is a licensed professional, the country where he is licensed has approved hunting that species.
Within reason it's not a big deal.
Well I don't know why you want elephants to be extinct, do you hate elephants?
Yes, I know. What's your point? Mine was that we shouldn't be hunting endangered elephants.
Elephants are endangered!
Elephants are endangered!
Not where hunting them is legal.
Where hunting elephants is illegal they are 5 ton prairie dogs, they destroy the livelihoods of farmers and are a pest.
Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
Not where hunting them is legal.
Where hunting elephants is illegal they are 5 ton prairie dogs, they destroy the livelihoods of farmers and are a pest.
Where hunting them is legal they are an economic resource
I don't think your opinion has any merit compared to that of the country that the elephants are contained in
by definition, the elephant is not endangered if a country is allowing the hunting
My opinion, Americans who are clueless about the game issues in Africa have no relevance to the issue
according to whom? don't you think a nation has the power to determine how its resources are managed?
My opinion has all the merit of yours.
African elephants could be extinct in wild within decades, experts say | Environment | The Guardian
You should educate yourself on African Elephants. They are not like the whitetail deer in your backyard. They are nearly as smart as we are. They experience every emotion we do. They are self aware. They are capable of empathy and have a notion of right and wrong. They also mourn their dead. I have no problem with hunting. I grew up hunting, most of my friends hunt, most of my family hunts. But in my opinion a creature like an elephant ought to enjoy every right to life that we enjoy. If you experience the same emotions, family ties, and mourn your dead just like we humans do, then you ought to have the same right to life that we humans enjoy and unless that elephant is a clear danger to people, it shouldn't be killed.
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