It all boils down to the fact that you think killing for fun is right and I think that is wrong on the most basic and fundamental of levels. Clearly we are never going to bridge that morality gap
Elephants are not special in the science behind saving them from extinction and the importance of the animal having a legitimate value through controlled hunting.. rather than indiscriminate poaching. That's what the science shows...
Unfortunately... SD and others think that elephants are "special".. and are ignoring the facts, the realities, and the science.. .and that's why other African species have made comebacks.. while the African elephant and other "special" animals languish. Conservation methods and science including the judicial use of hunting have been proven for well over a hundred years... unfortunately.. facts and science are not in the anti hunter playbook.
No.. I want the particulars around the rhino pictured and the hunt. "Her first kill".. means nothing...
As when you posted a picture of her with a rhino and it was actually tranquilized.
And the fact that a child killing such animals for fun doesn't bother you at all speaks volumes.
As you can see from the blood on the muzzle of her teen kill it wasn't tranquilized . In 1900 there were estimated to be around half a million Rhinos of all species roaming Africa. There are now some 29,000 left yet you guys see nothing wrong with killing some more for fun. I don't buy this conservationist BS either. If she wants to save animals she can be a vet or a game warden rather than a grinning thrill seeker killing for 'sport' . Live animals attract vastly more money into these regions via tourism than dead ones so the economic argument doesn't wash either
There are people who do that. They're called "wildlife photographers" not hunters.
yeah I am sure places like Botswana or the RSA really care what anti hunting americans think
Given these photographers will use virtually identical skills to track down their targets do you concede that its the killing of these wild animals that is the primary motivation then ?
Flogger, do you eat meat?
Yes and the animals I ate were not killed for fun
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Again, you focus on the killing. The kill is the culmination of the hunt, it is not the whole.
But clearly you have no interest in seeing that.
So do you concede its ultimately about the killing given you could do everything else involved in hunting and yet shoot with a camera as an alternative 'culmination' ?
So they are out there killing elephants to boost their egos and now they are upset when an elephant killed one of them?
I hope other barbarians like that will think twice before trying to kill an innocent animal.
You hunt and kill for food it you have to, not because you think you want to have some fun.
Nope. I concede nothing; I assert it is the whole experience and not any one part of the experience.
Some would call that a dodge
And the fact that a child killing such animals for fun doesn't bother you at all speaks volumes.
As you can see from the blood on the muzzle of her teen kill it wasn't tranquilized . In 1900 there were estimated to be around half a million Rhinos of all species roaming Africa. There are now some 29,000 left yet you guys see nothing wrong with killing some more for fun. I don't buy this conservationist BS either. If she wants to save animals she can be a vet or a game warden rather than a grinning thrill seeker killing for 'sport' . Live animals attract vastly more money into these regions via tourism than dead ones so the economic argument doesn't wash either
There is much evidence to suggest that hunting is less destructive than other nonconsumptive forms of ecotourism, such as photographic tourism.23 Hunters have less impact on the environment than photographic tourists as they require fewer local amenities and infrastructure, therefore reducing habitat degradation.24 The income generated from the hunting industry far exceeds that generated from other forms of ecotourism and is derived from fewer tourists, reducing their ecological impact while providing increased revenue for conservation initiatives.25
Other, better informed persons who have actually done it, would call it the truth.
I'm opposed to poaching, and where rhinos and elephants are concerned, that's their chief pressure.
Hunting bans across Africa have been relatively ineffective in protecting wildlife, as they reduce the value of wild animals and therefore reduce local interest in protecting the animals.5 Since the establishment of the hunting ban in Kenya in 1977, the country has recorded a decline in number by 40 to 90 percent in most animal species.6 Alternatively, hunting tourism has been extremely successful as it attaches an economic value to the wildlife and therefore encourages the cooperation of local people in conservation efforts for economic gain.
Since the publication of “Our Common Future” in 1987, sustainable development has been at the forefront of environmental policy, attempting to combine economic growth and social development with conservation initiatives.7 At the International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation (CIC) workshop in Barcelona it was accepted that hunting tourism was an effective conservation tool with social, economic, and environmental benefits.8
If money talks they can give to conservationist charities. If they are really concerned with conservation then become game keepers or veterinarians working in situ. Its the killing they really want
I'll try again .....
Why would this African hunt 'culmination' you speak of have to be a kill rather than a photo or perhaps even a boresighted laser shot proving your skill ?
Poaching is not legal hunting.. which is what the person in the OP was doing. AND the realities are that legal hunting helps curb poaching by giving a value to the animals..
Bans on hunting have been tried.. and don't work...
5. R. D. Baldus. World Forum for Sustainable Hunting [Marrakesh, 22–25 April 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.
6. S. S. Romanach, “Predator Conservation and Hunting in Kenya,” African Indaba, 5, no. 3 (2007): 22–23, http://www.africanindaba.co.za/Archive07/AfricanIndabaVol5-3.pdf (accessed 29 October 2009)
7. UN Documents, Our Common Future, Chapter 2:Towards Sustainable Development, Our Common Future, Chapter 2: Towards Sustainable Development - A/42/427 Annex, Chapter 2 - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements (accessed 3 March 2010)
8. International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation, Sustainable Hunting Tourism Workshop [Barcelona, 9 October 2008]. Budakeszi: International Council for Game and Wildlife Conservation.
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