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Glen Contrarian said:
Why don't you answer the question that was asked, instead of defaulting to your "minorities and immigrants are bad" stance, without any consideration at all to what's going on state-by-state? AGAIN, for red states and blue states, which ones are generally better off, and which ones are generally worse off, when it comes to homicide rates, violent crime rates, divorce rates, teenage pregnancy rates, poverty rates, educational attainment rates, percentage of populations covered by health insurance, and life expectancy rates.
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Changing the Goal Posts again, shocking.

It's really easy, y'know - all you have to do is Google "list {statistic} by state" and then click on 'images', and voila! You'll be able to see which states are doing better, and which states aren't.

But you won't do that. Why? Because when you look at those statistics, in every single category red states are generally worse off than blue states...and that's something you dare not admit since it would destroy your "conservative governance is better than liberal governance" claims...and I will continue to rub your nose in the failure of conservative governance till the cows come home because while your rhetoric might sound really good to you, the actual RESULTS of conservative governance do not back up your claims.
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Do you a vast majority of those stats are slanted because of the fact most of the blacks in America live in the Red South, right?

Then again you have to ignore Detroit, Trenton, Newark, Baltimore, Memphis, and the countless failures so what is the point in trying to talk with your kind.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Changing the Goal Posts again, shocking.



Do you a vast majority of those stats are slanted because of the fact most of the blacks in America live in the Red South, right?

Then again you have to ignore Detroit, Trenton, Newark, Baltimore, Memphis, and the countless failures so what is the point in trying to talk with your kind.
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There you go, blaming the minorities again...but if you'll check, one of the states perennially among the worst is West Virginia, which is not known for being exactly multiracial in nature. Conversely, one of the better-performing states is New York, which is very multicultural. Perhaps the best state overall is blue, blue Hawaii, the most multiracial and multicultural state in the Union.

And while we're at it, if you'll check, the worst state when it comes to violence and homicide is Louisiana - has been for years. But Mississippi, which is right next door, has a significantly higher percentage of blacks - the highest in the nation - yet its rate of violence and homicide, while still relatively high, is 2/3 that of Louisiana. So...a lot more blacks in poverty just as deep, but the violence and homicide rate is a lot LESS? That goes directly against your off-the-cuff assumption above.

When it comes to educational attainment, the state with the lowest percentage of college graduates? Not-so-black West Virginia. What about post-graduate degrees? Arkansas, which has a significantly lower percentage of blacks than either Louisiana or Mississippi.

In other words, your claim that it's the minorities...is flat wrong.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
There you go, blaming the minorities again...but if you'll check, one of the states perennially among the worst is West Virginia, which is not known for being exactly multiracial in nature. Conversely, one of the better-performing states is New York, which is very multicultural. Perhaps the best state overall is blue, blue Hawaii, the most multiracial and multicultural state in the Union.

And while we're at it, if you'll check, the worst state when it comes to violence and homicide is Louisiana - has been for years. But Mississippi, which is right next door, has a significantly higher percentage of blacks - the highest in the nation - yet its rate of violence and homicide, while still relatively high, is 2/3 that of Louisiana. So...a lot more blacks in poverty just as deep, but the violence and homicide rate is a lot LESS? That goes directly against your off-the-cuff assumption above.

When it comes to educational attainment, the state with the lowest percentage of college graduates? Not-so-black West Virginia. What about post-graduate degrees? Arkansas, which has a significantly lower percentage of blacks than either Louisiana or Mississippi.

In other words, your claim that it's the minorities...is flat wrong.
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While I agree that AS's view of "minorities" being a problem is extreme, you as well seem to need to be reminded that not all minorities are black, nor are minorities always racial minorities.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
There you go, blaming the minorities again...but if you'll check, one of the states perennially among the worst is West Virginia, which is not known for being exactly multiracial in nature. Conversely, one of the better-performing states is New York, which is very multicultural. Perhaps the best state overall is blue, blue Hawaii, the most multiracial and multicultural state in the Union.

And while we're at it, if you'll check, the worst state when it comes to violence and homicide is Louisiana - has been for years. But Mississippi, which is right next door, has a significantly higher percentage of blacks - the highest in the nation - yet its rate of violence and homicide, while still relatively high, is 2/3 that of Louisiana. So...a lot more blacks in poverty just as deep, but the violence and homicide rate is a lot LESS? That goes directly against your off-the-cuff assumption above.

When it comes to educational attainment, the state with the lowest percentage of college graduates? Not-so-black West Virginia. What about post-graduate degrees? Arkansas, which has a significantly lower percentage of blacks than either Louisiana or Mississippi.

In other words, your claim that it's the minorities...is flat wrong.
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clownboy said:
While I agree that AS's view of "minorities" being a problem is extreme, you as well seem to need to be reminded that not all minorities are black, nor are minorities always racial minorities.
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See how glen and his side always scream "racist" when we use facts.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Look you don't live in Kentucky, so I'll cut you some slack on this. Take it from someone who lives here, You got a better shot of seeing Charlie Rangel lose his re-election than you do seeing McConnell lose in a general election.
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He's become a real weasel; he and his brother Boehner.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
There you go, blaming the minorities again...but if you'll check, one of the states perennially among the worst is West Virginia, which is not known for being exactly multiracial in nature. Conversely, one of the better-performing states is New York, which is very multicultural. Perhaps the best state overall is blue, blue Hawaii, the most multiracial and multicultural state in the Union.
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Once again it is a fact that most Blacks live in the South. Census data Proves this. New York is powered by Wall Street and that is is, Hawaii has a limit to its growth and population due to lack of land is is powered by tourism, nothing more

Notice how you left out North Dakota and the Oil Boom, or Utah...I wonder why.

And while we're at it, if you'll check, the worst state when it comes to violence and homicide is Louisiana - has been for years. But Mississippi, which is right next door, has a significantly higher percentage of blacks - the highest in the nation - yet its rate of violence and homicide, while still relatively high, is 2/3 that of Louisiana. So...a lot more blacks in poverty just as deep, but the violence and homicide rate is a lot LESS? That goes directly against your off-the-cuff assumption above.
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Because Mississippi has lower taxes and a larger economy. More over most of this homicides are self defense.

When it comes to educational attainment, the state with the lowest percentage of college graduates? Not-so-black West Virginia. What about post-graduate degrees? Arkansas, which has a significantly lower percentage of blacks than either Louisiana or Mississippi.
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Dig up the graduation rates by race in those states, they get back to us.


In other words, your claim that it's the minorities...is flat wrong.
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It is many things, failed schools, high taxes, gun laws, ect all of those cities are deep blue, but hey change the subject all you want.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
Once again it is a fact that most Blacks live in the South. Census data Proves this. New York is powered by Wall Street and that is is, Hawaii has a limit to its growth and population due to lack of land is is powered by tourism, nothing more.
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There he goes with the "it's the black people's fault" card. Again.

Notice how you left out North Dakota and the Oil Boom, or Utah...I wonder why.
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Because they have LOW rates of POVERTY. The poverty rate isn't due to race, guy - remember, West Virginia.

Because Mississippi has lower taxes and a larger economy. More over most of this homicides are self defense..
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PROVE IT.

Dig up the graduation rates by race in those states, they get back to us.
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Dig up the graduation rates of ALL people in poverty, then get back to us. It's not race, guy, it's POVERTY.

It is many things, failed schools, high taxes, gun laws, ect all of those cities are deep blue, but hey change the subject all you want.
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In other words, you refuse to compare states to states, much less explain why there's such a disparity. And before you start playing the "it's the black people's fault" card again, explain West Virginia.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
There he goes with the "it's the black people's fault" card. Again.



Because they have LOW rates of POVERTY. The poverty rate isn't due to race, guy - remember, West Virginia.



PROVE IT.



Dig up the graduation rates of ALL people in poverty, then get back to us. It's not race, guy, it's POVERTY.



In other words, you refuse to compare states to states, much less explain why there's such a disparity. And before you start playing the "it's the black people's fault" card again, explain West Virginia.
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That data is found at the local level, you find it if you care so much about it. No I do compare states to states and the blue ones are in a death spiral state of debt.

West Virginia is very simple, one major industry Coal which is being strangled by ever increasing regulations by the EPA.
 
AmericanSpartan said:
That data is found at the local level, you find it if you care so much about it. No I do compare states to states and the blue ones are in a death spiral state of debt.

West Virginia is very simple, one major industry Coal which is being strangled by ever increasing regulations by the EPA.
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In other words, you don't care to do the work to verify what you think, much less prove what you say.

And btw, coal's being "strangled" not so much by regulation, but by COMPETITION from natural gas. Coal's no longer the most profitable way to go.
 
Glen Contrarian said:
In other words, you don't care to do the work to verify what you think, much less prove what you say.

And btw, coal's being "strangled" not so much by regulation, but by COMPETITION from natural gas. Coal's no longer the most profitable way to go.
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No, and to be honest I do not value your opinion, no amount of facts will convince you.

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Glen Contrarian said:
In other words, you don't care to do the work to verify what you think, much less prove what you say.

And btw, coal's being "strangled" not so much by regulation, but by COMPETITION from natural gas. Coal's no longer the most profitable way to go.
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No because the FBI does not classify homicides in sub categories like self defense/justifiable.
 
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