From 'Hope' to Hypocrisy: The Senator Who Became A Sellout

beerftw said:

actually bush wasnt a marxist,neither was obama.

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IMO, he's been instituting Marxism and eroding our liberties "under the radar" as he says....mostly through regulation, but also through his schemes such as:

F&F (create a need for more gun control),

Obamacare (promote socialized medicine and reduce and end the market for private insurance),

creating new bureaucracies like the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, (more jobs for entrenched bureaucrats and more govt control and expansion), and

through executive orders (circumventing Congress and usurping his executive power) .

iguanaman said:

GW Bush promised to end foreign entanglements and defend this country from threats, foreign or domestic. He failed miserably at both. Does that count?

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Bush didn't run -as his main plank-ending Clinton's tax hikes and then re-implement them


Obumble's main economic platform was screwing the rich and he ended up continuing Bush's tax cuts

jgarden47 said:

After a little checking, the source of this series videos is none other than "www.gop.com."

The GOP has never been in the business of producing unbiased political videos - particularily when it comes to Barack Obama.

May I suggest that "DebatePolitics.com" should consider billing the Republican Party for providing public exposure of their political advertisements.

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I made no effort to hide the source. Just because it's the GOP, doesn't make it incorrect. Obama will hang by his own words. There are SO many.

Trinnity said:

I made no effort to hide the source. Just because it's the GOP, doesn't make it incorrect. Obama will hang by his own words. There are SO many.

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Well, I see Obama has had a crappy week....look out for more of that coming his way.

washunut said:

While this was a deep recession, so was the recession of the 80's, so not sure I would agree that this is the worst in three generations. It is different because it was a financial crisis versus a more normal one, but did not rise to the level of the great depression. Thanks should go in my view for us not falling into a depression to the actions largely of the Fed which took extraordinary steps that many have found easy to vilify.

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I'd agree with this. The financial/liquidity aspect of this crisis made it an entirely different animal and that fact is lost on I'd venture 90% of this forum. For that sole reason most people here still don't understand that stimulus via spending or tax cuts won't fix the problem. I'd argue that the stimulus largely kept the economy from going off the cliff at the same time TARP saved the financial sector. No question errors were made in both, but I have a real hard time believing that doing nothing would have resulted in a better outcome. I've asked the partisans here why they think a rapid decline in demand is good for the economy and not a single person has stayed in the thread after having that asked to them. They all run. But the stimulus cannot and will not address the core problems. I think Krugman is full of crap when he is now arguing that another stimulus is the answer. We still haven't addressed the housing debt. Deleveraging is going to seriously put a brake on consumer spending. There's no quick answer to this and people who think that Obama should have been able to get us out in 2 or 3 years from a devastating financial recession are IMO ignorant idiots.

That being said, I am not sure that actions taken after 2008/2009 have not made our recovery shallower than what we could have had had we let the markets clear as we did with the S&L crisis in the 80's. Had that been done we would have taken more short term pain but could have had more of a V shaped recovery. So much of our economy revolves around housing, that to keep it banging around the bottom for many years seems certain to give us a slow, painful recovery.

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Not so sure about that. Considering that nothing we did addressed the issue of debt, I don't see how a V recovery could happen. I'd venture it would be more like a Verizon logo, quick pain and a slow recovery. Consumer and business debt would put a huge drag on growth at the same time no stimulus would result in massive job losses both directly and indirectly. The deficit would have gone to hell either way. I really hate to say this, but McCain's Communist Mortgage plan might have been the best way to go to alleviate the housing debt.

Trinnity said:

F&F (create a need for more gun control)

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Tell me how did that go? Furthermore, how is stopping illegal sales Marxist gun control?

Obamacare (promote socialized medicine and reduce and end the market for private insurance)

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Do you have any idea what Obamacare actually does or do you get all your news from Fox?

How are private insurance exchanges for private healthcare at private hospitals for private doctors Socialized Medicine?
You do realize that Obama is actually trying to make actual Socialized Medicine less Socialized by requiring TRICARE participants to pay more for the services they use?

I don't get you people. You bash him for promoting what amounts to an expansion of private insurance by calling him a Socialist. And then you bash him for cutting Socialized Medicine. Seriously unhinged. He's bad for promoting Socialized Medicine and then he's bad for trying to make Socialized Medicine less Socialized. What. The. Hell.

creating new bureaucracies like the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, (more jobs for entrenched bureaucrats and more govt control and expansion), and

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So you think that consumer should have less disclosure from companies? That's essentially what the CFP does. It expands disclosure. How is more information bad?

through executive orders (circumventing Congress and usurping his executive power) .

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Then Lincoln was a Marxist.

beerftw said:

one ive never heard of fcw and dont know why you submitted a blog from the most unknown corners of the web to back your claims,two obama is incharge of appointing people,obviously again obama wasnt responsible,bush must have went to the white house and put a gun to obamas head and tolf him who to choose,after all democrats cant make bad decisions.

oh wait they can i think you are one of the very few who would deny mistakes,after all any smart democrat learnes from them,you just prefer to ignore them.

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Do you offer a version of this posting that is in English? I don't read Hillbilly.