In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
As long as kids raise their hands and wait to be called on.
So as long as the learning environment is kept, then freedom of speech should be upheld?
Freedom of speech is respected for students in schools. Up to a point. No kid has their full Rights until they become adults. And for good reason. You wouldn't exactly want your 6 year old to just walk out of class to go to the candy store on their own now would you? Nor would you want your 16 year old to be hollering in class disrupting any other child's chance to learn either.
As for teachers, no. They may have all their Rights but their job is to teach facts to children. Not influence children towards a particular religion or political viewpoint or anything else subjective. Since a teacher is essentially a part of the government they have no place in influencing children on subjective matters.
In public school should a students freedom of speech be respected? Public school is a government program, and the 1st amendment is a government law. Also along the lines of the 1st amendment, should teachers be able to share there thoughts and values with students. This is just a thought concerning restrictions in public schools, please tell me what you think.
Were you ever a teacher and did all you do was teach facts to children?
I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
No. Public School is a forced attendance mandate. Our students are idiots. If they were already brilliant, they would not need education.
Uniforms should be mandated and strict compliance to ethical and courteous behavior need to be enforced.
The practices of our education system should outfit our students with knowledge and behaviors that prepare them to benefit the society and not be a burden upon it.
In my case, Algebra was a waste of my time and that of the instructor. Checkbook balancing would have been useful to me.
ANY of the social feel good classes or comments by the faculty members need be reserved to the clubs after school.
Extending courtesy to ALL people should be taught from the first day to all students as a matter of daily conduct. This single measure would eliminate the ridiculous fragmentation of being inclusive to particular groups. We are all ONE GROUP!
That should be the social lesson of our education system. Everything feel good, PC line of crap is divisive.
I thought as much from your comment that the only thing a teacher should do is teach facts.
No. Public School is a forced attendance mandate. Our students are idiots. If they were already brilliant, they would not need education.
Uniforms should be mandated and strict compliance to ethical and courteous behavior need to be enforced.
The practices of our education system should outfit our students with knowledge and behaviors that prepare them to benefit the society and not be a burden upon it.
In my case, Algebra was a waste of my time and that of the instructor. Checkbook balancing would have been useful to me.
ANY of the social feel good classes or comments by the faculty members need be reserved to the clubs after school.
Extending courtesy to ALL people should be taught from the first day to all students as a matter of daily conduct. This single measure would eliminate the ridiculous fragmentation of being inclusive to particular groups. We are all ONE GROUP!
That should be the social lesson of our education system. Everything feel good, PC line of crap is divisive.
Look up in loco parentis.I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
I am not certified as a teacher and have never taught in a classroom setting. However I am a father who teaches his children and I do know what I want them to be taught and what I do not want them to be taught without my guidance. That is my job and role as a father. The only one who has even an equal say to mine when it comes to my kids is my wife, their mother. Anyone else can go to hell.
The last time I heard this was during an explanation of the Hitler Youth.
Then you must have missed all the private schools we have ... unless you consider them all to be in line with Hitler Youth.
Look up in loco parentis.
That will not change the public school curriculum.
I take it you disagree?
Not so much disagree as recognize what you want is without a doubt beyond absurd and bears no relationship to the reality that goes on in schools every day of the year.
For example, one of the things schools do is socialize children teaching them how to get along with others - both their peers and the adults who are in charge of them. This involves constant monitoring of each childs personal behavior and correction of it so they conform to the standards and rules of their environment. That involves judgments and assessments and it involves the application of values and discipline. That process is totally different that the mere recitation of facts.
To pretend otherwise is to deny what a big part of education actually is - teaching children to live in a society with others and get along and know their place and their role in it.
That goes way beyond the mere recitation of facts.
They have rules of conduct that is enforced yes. But the rules are such that they leave very little to the imagination and as such subjectivity by the teacher is kept to a bare minimum.
In any case all that you've done is taken it to the exact opposite of what I was talking about here. I specifically said "religious and political views or anything else subjective" should never be allowed.
Not manners/politeness. The "anything else subjective" was obviously meant along the lines of similar veins of things that shouldn't be taught by teachers like religion and politics. You know, things like like feminism, white supremacy...etc etc etc. Things that I don't want my children taught. And remember, we're talking about the personal views of the teacher. Not facts. So teaching about feminism is fine. Putting in your personal beliefs about feminism is a no no.
Obviously politics, religion, feminism, etc etc are going to be taught about. They're a part of our history and current events and processes now. I don't want the subjectivity about those taught. Just the facts.
Algebra is a much needed and basic foundation for many technical jobs. Even calculating your insurance rates or other such things requires a base knowledge of algebra. It is not a waste of time if taught in a way that emphasizes its usefulness rather than simply saying "solve this equation, doesn't matter why".
If I am teaching American History and we have a unit of the American Declaration of Independence and we analyze it and as a teacher I point out that Jefferson who wrote about the rights of man actually owned slaves - am I crossing your line or am I simply reciting and dispersing facts?
And if a Black student raises their hand and asks why white people hated blacks so much that they enslaved them and beat them and raped them and even killed them - all legally according to their rights as property owners in many states - am I suppose to discuss that or back off stating that I am not allowed to give my opinion and leave that student hanging in a moral emptiness?
Tell me please from your lofty position above it all.
As it is a fact that Jefferson owned slaves there is nothing wrong with telling them so.
"Moral emptiness"? :roll: Your job is not and never was about teaching children what YOU think is moral. You should tell them the facts. Like the fact that at the time many white people did not consider blacks as being fully human. You also tell them that some believed differently but due to the times they often conformed to societal whims in order to be considered important enough to have a say in matters. Those are backed up by facts. Leave the emotional drivel that you want to spout to yourself. Particularly since beyond what I have mentioned and maybe a couple of other factual points you have no idea why "white people hated blacks so much". Anything that you said that was of your own belief could negatively affect those children. Let them make up their own mind or seek emotional answers from their parents or other family members. Do not impose your own personal beliefs.
Facts are just that. Facts. Points of information which are true and not in dispute.
Not trying to be condescending huh? What I want from teachers is what all good parents want from teachers. They want teachers to give the facts and for the child to come to them, the parents, for the emotional and subjective questions. So if my position is so "lofty" then I guess I'm in good company.
Algebra is a much needed and basic foundation for many technical jobs. Even calculating your insurance rates or other such things requires a base knowledge of algebra. It is not a waste of time if taught in a way that emphasizes its usefulness rather than simply saying "solve this equation, doesn't matter why".
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