government is not here to make us moral or immoral, becuase government is composed of people who have their own set of values.
'wish to believe', is that like deciding how to feel? And as for the people who 'don't believe that', their concerns have been heard, listened to and made the law of the land. Recently, it's been brought up that maybe the concerns of a few shouldn't be the law of the land and this has caused all the moral outrage. Do you think the state has the right to 'mandate' morality?
So does that mean you agree government has no say in morality issues like same-sex marriage?
No. Because those portions that are fictional can be shown to be fictional. However, the bible has not been proven to be fictional and archeology continues to prove more and more of it.
Show me this mandate. :coffeepap
i am an not against gays being married, i am against government track record of bring the issue farther in the arena of all the people where it has been made legal.
government has no business in marriage at all, it not a power of government...i am against force used on the people.....who have committed no crime.
There is only one reply to such nonsense.
WRONG!!!!!!!
That's it. That must be what he was talking about! :lamoView attachment 67151427 that is a man date
That's it. That must be what he was talking about! :lamo
it is the idea that homosexuality is normal and good,nothing wrong with it.........and thats ok for people who wish to believe that way.
however there are people who dont believe that, and their concerns are not being heard, and listened to, and overruled.
whether someone teaches their children to be a bigot or not...its not ours or anyone's else business to teach them differently, ..you and government are not the parents of the child..when did children become the property of the state.
government is not here to make us moral or immoral, becuase government is composed of people who have their own set of values.
i am not for government teaching anyone to be against anyone, but in the same breath i not for government telling people they WILL learn XYZ.
a person's behavior is not yours or government's affair, if that person has committed no crime...........you and government want to shape people to your liking....and thats not right.
LOL All laws are made to control peoples behavior. What planet do you live on? Anti-social behavior like bigotry does not have to be respected or maintained. You could say the same about polygamists, pedophiles, or any number creeps that society has shunned.
What on earth us any kind of good reason to not let gay people get married, and please don't post any of the ignorant **** that I already addressed.
LOL All laws are made to control peoples behavior. What planet do you live on? Anti-social behavior like bigotry does not have to be respected or maintained. You could say the same about polygamists, pedophiles, or any number creeps that society has shunned.
You certainly are a fan of exaggerated hyperbole, aren't you.
I never proposed that teachers should impose their set of morals on their pupils. However, if you really do possess a PhD, surely even you can comprehend that a teacher's classroom actions have an ability to leave an indelible impression on young children.
If you believe teachers should prevent children from assaulting one another, wouldn't it follow that a caring, compassionate teacher would explain the ramifications and hopefully the children would learn a moral lesson?
LOL All laws are made to control peoples behavior. What planet do you live on? Anti-social behavior like bigotry does not have to be respected or maintained. You could say the same about polygamists, pedophiles, or any number creeps that society has shunned.
If only that were true but history tells us that bigotry of all kinds does not lend itself to voluntary abolition. Just look at the 100 years that the blacks waited and it STILL took a Constitutional amendment and Federal enforcement to end segregation. Bigotry is passed on through parents and it is only common sense that schools need to play a role in opposing bigotry.
Did you think that schools teaching that segregation of blacks was wrong were "forcing things on people" too?
Is teaching students that cheating is wrong and why it is wrong 'forcing morals on you or yours?
(Of course they should know this already, but as it applies to a classroom setting should still be discussed in class and thereby constitute a lesson in morals)
My point is that, as usual, it's not so easy to generalize and say 'no morals should be taught in school'.
Of course nobody wants the more nuanced morals taught as if there is a right or wrong (ex. abortion,gun rights,etc.etc) but SOME morals are appropriately discussed (and again, this constitutes a lesson) in a classroom setting.
Parents have the home and their places of worship to discuss other moral matters in a more deep and nuanced manner.
Talk about feverish! :lamo The Conspiracy Theory section is down the hall and to the right.I can think of lots of reasons why atheists would LOVE to present science to religious children. "THIS is how the Universe works" (leaving no question in religious children's minds that this teacher believes there is absolutely ZERO room for God in the "real world"). God doesn't even have to be mentioned in this case.
Obviously not a universal practice.Not a single year did I not receive a copy of such standards. Further I had to sign a copy as well as my progeny.
I'm not even close to being under 40 and I use quote marks quite often, including the way you just did. Maybe it's a "Liberal" thing?Nope. That is why I put the quote marks around the word "religious". A rather common, although mostly amongst those less than 40, to indicate an ironical take on the word or phrase with the single quote marks - also called "scare quotes". In this instance it should be read as stating, "Some of those Americans who call themselves religious" - see? Much easier to use the scare quotes but as I type, I realise that the majority of posters here are not under the age of 40 :2razz:
i mean the government with an agenda.....a student lead agenda, is not going change the shape of the world.
i want the federal government out of our schools, becuase its unconstitutional for them to be there.....education is not in the constitution
I'm not a fan of hyperbole. I am a fan of logical thinking. If you go back and read what you wrote then you will see that you DID advocate teachers teaching morality. I think they should teach their subject matter. Stopping pupims from assaulting or bullying each other is not the same as teaching them morals. There are other settings for that.
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