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I am worried for Taiwan right now. If this is how its government can easily be bent over the visitor of one Chinese diplomatic, then there is not a lot of hope for its future sovereignty and democracy. The same thing happens in the West though with big protests that challenge the government. If one person misbehaves, the police attack everyone, hence the advent of agents provocateurs.
Now, we have a discriminatory economic stimulus plan passed, but while it is getting better, there are still discriminatory elements to it.
Like what?
I care little for whether Taiwan retains it's Democracy (such as it is).
What really concerns me is whether the US will continue on it's hedonistic charge down the road to Socialism/Communism?
I care about both.
The U.S. will figure out that this is the wrong road - before it is too late. They did last time, they will again.
As for democracy in other countries, it is in the U.S. interest to have more democracies in the world. Even if the people in those countries don't like the US (something that is NOT the case in Taiwan - Taiwanese by in large LOVE the United States), it is better than to have the world run by tyrants who will actively work to subvert the interests of the United States.
Which company/companies are being nationalised?I care little for whether Taiwan retains it's Democracy (such as it is).
What really concerns me is whether the US will continue on it's hedonistic charge down the road to Socialism/Communism?
Discriminitory? un huh.It will still be difficult to use with traditional vendors and markets - though they say they are still working on it, and foreign resident taxpayers are still excluded. Some of the other bad provisions from earlier in the week have been mostly worked out though. It is a much fairer package today than it was on MOnday.
Taiwan is nothing more than a sacirificial pawn in US/China relations.I care about both.
The U.S. will figure out that this is the wrong road - before it is too late. They did last time, they will again.
As for democracy in other countries, it is in the U.S. interest to have more democracies in the world. Even if the people in those countries don't like the US (something that is NOT the case in Taiwan - Taiwanese by in large LOVE the United States), it is better than to have the world run by tyrants who will actively work to subvert the interests of the United States.
THis whole thread is completely dishonest.
Brutal tactics? What the OP clearly will not post is what resulted in the police force cracking down on the protestors.
Which was already shown here here and here in these various videos that you can view for yourself of the allegedly violent crack down.
But will any of this matter? No, because the OP has been able to dishonestly manipulate the democracy of Taiwan with being synonomous with the negative connotations of communist China - all without providing the slightest shred of evidence other than empty allegations.
The pan greens of Taiwan want to pretend that Taiwan is going backwards in democracy.
Have constitutional rights been suspended? No; have individual rights been wrongfully violated? again no. There is not a single shred of truth to these allegations, nothing but pan greens who now have no power whatsoever and are looking for every opportunity to deligitimize the now ruling party.
In typical fashion all we need to see are the mention of the word China, and the word attack and the poster wouldn't need to validate their arguments anymore due to the negative sentimental associations.
Discriminitory? un huh.
The candidates are chosen based on the peoples votes in the primaries. If you are part of a party you can try to run for your party's nomination if you wish.Except that the U.S. is not a democratic nation, it is a polyarchy, and this is how it wishes to fashion the other nations it invades. People are given the incidental freedom to vote every few years, but the candidates are selected by the elites in the country, and those elected have almost complete power.
Our economy is our livelihood just like all other major powers. Its not a big surprise that threats to ones livelihood are handled seriously.It is not about removing tyranny. Some tyrants are left in power for the simple fact that they cooperate with American elites. It's about economic power first and foremost, and this is what the American people have zero influence on. In American elections, the real issues are never talked about: globalization, free trade, economic liberalism, foreign policy, etc. But that is all the elites care about.
What liberal democracy have we fought in our entire history?It might intervene in order to save "democratic" face since it signed an agreement back in history (after all, it must at least try to preserve the myth that it is a democratic nation serving democratic interests), but it would never go to war with China because the elites would not allow it to happen.
Legitimate source or video?So, which of these things are you going to claim DID NOT happen?
1. Police ripped ROC flags from people on public streets.
2. Police confiscicated video cameras and other recording devices from the protest area.
3. A banner from the hotel were Chen Yunlin was staying was ripped down by authorities.
4. Police used water cannons to disperse protesters.
5. Police forcibly removed peaceful student protesters.
6. Police violently forced the closure of a music shop after it started playing Taiwanese patriotic music.
Freedom house was called to investigate by whom? THey just suddenly found it of particular interest to investigate?ludahai said:Freedom House has seen the evidence and is calling for an independent investigation. Unlike either of us, they have no axe to grind in this.
Next I'm going to hear you preaching that foreigners should have the right to vote.:roll:Sure, if people have been here for years and do not receive this kind of benefit, it is discriminatory. However, there are so many KMT laws in Taiwan that are targeted at foreigners it is mind boggling.
Why should foreigners receive any benefits period?ludahai said:Now, it looks like at least foreign spouses will receive the benefit, but I know foreigners who have been here for decades who will not receive the vouchers. That IS discriminatory.
Forget the fact that Taipei Times is about as legitimate as the weekly standard or national review or some other freeper source.Now, the International Federation for Human Rights is expressing its concern over the repression of the protests earlier this month.
While the Blues here in Taiwan and their apologists are living in denial, human rights activists outside Taiwan are expressing their concern.
article here
Next I'm going to hear you preaching that foreigners should have the right to vote.:roll:
Why should foreigners receive any benefits period?
Forget the fact that Taipei Times is about as legitimate as the weekly standard or national review or some other freeper source.
Forget the fact that Taipei Times is about as legitimate as the weekly standard or national review or some other freeper source.
FIDH said:However, we fear these aggressions in fact aim at suppressing the right to freedom of expression of citizens. To supplement this violence, there are also unprecedented restrictions which clearly overpass the limits of ensuring security. For example, citizens have been restricted from displaying or carrying the national flag of Taiwan, forbidden to declare that “Taiwan is not part of China”, forbidden from carrying filming devices, and restricted from playing any music the authorities consider inappropriate.
What liberal democracy have we fought in our entire history?
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