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Foto of the year in Russia

Tashah said:
genocide - The Free Online Dictionary

Nothing even remotely similar to genocide happened in Ossetia.

You are correct, Tashah. While there were abuses, even crimes against humanity, in South Ossetia, those abuses did not rise to the level of genocide.



For those who are unfamiliar with the term genocide, especially as it has been loosely-used in recent years, i.e., with respect to the war in Iraq, Arab-Israeli dispute, etc., the definition is as follows:

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Source of defintion: Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide

In short, for crimes against humanity to rise to the level of genocide, there needs to be a combination of the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group and the acts to achieve that end.

Don, what is the purpose and intent of your post? Viking has been chased away by your inability to conduct a meaningful respectful dialog, you banned justone for the same reason, - whom are you arguing - shiznit770 , the one whom you accused in carrying the baton for Viking and justone and thus demonstrated the magnificent level of intolerance by your team. Did you post just to overwhelm in numbers? I have already told you that it does not matter how many zeros add to each other, they will never add to any number rather than zero.

Should I give a benefit of a doubt or I should scratch you from the list of reasonable posters?

Explain to me – if to imagine a scale of crimes, where should I place ‘’abuses, even crimes against humanity in South Ossetia ’’ SO that they would be not ‘’ even remotely close to genocide’’? Understand? No? Not even a sign of minimal understanding?


Explain to me what did drive you to the extremes of bigotry? Tashah? Did you let your lust overpower your mind? Did you ever score or you sold yourself for nothing?


It is not the first time when I catch you on selective quoting or misrepresentation of a document.

Article 3
The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;
(d) Attempt to commit genocide;
(e) Complicity in genocide.

Article 4
Persons committing genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3 shall be punished, whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals.


In short there need NOT to be a combination of the intent to destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group and the acts to achieve that end.

Let me explain it to you personally so that you wouldn’t be offended by me not offending you when everyone else feels offended and insulted.

The fact that only a few hundred (?) were killed does not mean that they were not killed. The fact that villages were bombarded does not mean that there were not civilians of other ethnicities in those villages. It is not like HAMAS firing katushas when Arabs in Israel can potentially be killed. (Though in my view it can rise to (c) of the Article 3. I don’t hold IDF for not talking to the UN twisting its own rules). HAMAS cannot exterminate Jews in Israel yet. Georgia conducted evacuation of ethnical Georgians before the attack. It applied overwhelming military power, GRAD systems, cluster bombs (not shells!), heavy artillery AND at day light it was shelling and shooting at the blank point range at residential buildings and houses which were NOT returning or conducting fire AND Georgians were making videos of such shootings. Georgia was killing unarmed elderly and children at day light WHEN Georgia was not fired upon from the site of elderly and children. Let’s say you are running through a village and fired upon and in the midst some children are in your view – you may do a mistake. The evidence shows it was not the case as a rule. If genocide did not happen it does not mean the intention and the attempt of the genocide did not happen, - which makes no difference for the Article 4 of the UN. If it was not for the 58th Army Georgia would have certainly achieve the objective of the wide scale genocide. In the light of the Articles 3 and 4 Viking has the fill right to use the word genocide.

It also was fitting to the construction of the sentence. Let’s assume that I am all wrong, you are correct and let’s re-write the OP under this assumption:


‘’Newspaper "Our time" published the foto of the year
made by Vasiliiy Shaposhnikov.
The foto was made August 11, its hero georgian president Saakashvili,
who was brave enough to start abuses, even crimes against humanity in South Ossetia,
but ran for cover when he heard something in the air.

Photo1. Video1. Photo2. Photo 3.’’

And? How much has changed? How would it stop you from spewing irrelevant crap, like dictionary, orthography or syntax, etc. instead of discussing the subject, events and their implications? How would it prevent you from jumping in defense of your dear ally and friend whom you support morally, monetarily and financially for him spreading your democracy and killing Russians/Ossetins to satisfy your Russo phobic needs?


You feel high because your idol is elected and you and your team march tramping over reason, decency and honesty like he does, - like all world is DP. Let me tell you that there are enough reasonable people in the US, but even if the US fails to resist to your team, you would not have power and guts, and first off all guts to impose your ideas around the globe. How ever are you going to conduct a dialog with Russia, when you have demonstrated no ability to conduct any meaningful dialog with the posters from Russia? What do your have to demonstrate to the Russian posters and diplomats except for your Russo phobia and extreme bigotry?

Your team is so determined to inflict a great damage on the US. Of course, I am protesting, it is not like I have a citizenship of another country and would feel cozy in Israel or anywhere else. Less caring about Israel I don’t feel comforted by your promises that you will damage Russia also. Your operate to deceive, to impose false feeling of great superiority and security when your butts are clearly kicked, to suppress any questioning or decent, to hide information and to pervert it, - look what you have achieved so far, what you avoid to talk about diverting attention – it is the fact that your butts are clearly kicked by the Russian posters and Russia, that Russia got Ossetia and Abkhazia, delayed if not prevented Georgia and possibly Ukraine from joining NATO, divided the US and the EU on the issue, raised moral of its military and people, it is gaining allies - and what have you done in reply that would be beneficial to the US – you have chased Russian posters from DP and sent military ships with supplies to the criminals,… oh, how comforting it is. And you would not even say a single word about Russian nuclear naval power conducting exercises with our enemy in proximity of our shores, not even a single word. How much of power – if to compare to the Cuban missile crisis - has been floating nearby?
Russia, Venezuela wrap up joint naval exercise
YouTube - Russian bombers arrive in Venezuela
YouTube - Russian warships head across Atlantic

I charge you of corruption for your personal ideological gains as well as of criminal neglect of national interests and security of the US and its citizens.

And I find you guilty as charged. You and your team should be removed from the stage where reasonable people conduct a reasonable dialog.
 
Newspaper "Our time" published the foto of the year
made by Vasiliiy Shaposhnikov.
The foto was made August 11, its hero georgian president Saakashvili,
who was brave enough to start genocide of ossetians,
but ran for cover when he heard something in the air.

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video of this incident Looks like no one else was scared...:
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more photos:
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Sakaasvili is a maniac crazy moron. He is really a true madman, a sly crazy SOB, one of the worst leaders in the world, truly, he is just insane, belongs in a some kind of institution, perhaps a political institution :lol:
 
whom are you arguing - shiznit770 , the one whom you accused in carrying the baton for Viking and justone and thus demonstrated the magnificent level of intolerance by your team. Did you post just to overwhelm in numbers? I have already told you that it does not matter how many zeros add to each other, they will never add to any number rather than zero.

Should I give a benefit of a doubt or I should scratch you from the list of reasonable posters?

Sorry, justone its not a battle of "numbers" or a demonstration of intolerance. Just reasonable disagreement in your assessment of genocide. The term carries heavy meaning for most people and to label the event in Ossetia as genocide takes away from other much much more severe cases.

I posted in an attempt to defend your use of the word since I also believe the situation did not receive the attention it deserved and many jumped at the opportunity to blame Russia.
 
Sorry, justone its not a battle of "numbers" or a demonstration of intolerance. Just reasonable disagreement in your assessment of genocide. The term carries heavy meaning for most people and to label the event in Ossetia as genocide takes away from other much much more severe cases.

I posted in an attempt to defend your use of the word since I also believe the situation did not receive the attention it deserved and many jumped at the opportunity to blame Russia.

It seems like you go around glance at posts and express not even your opinions, but overall impressions.

I pretty much addressed everything you say. The disagreement was not reasonable and I submitted the premises that led me to such a conclusion.

As to the most people put heavier meaning, again it requires not an impression of the people, but some thinking and looking at the facts; not denying off the bet the meaning other people put in, but giving some respectful consideration.

Like you would say to me ‘in my view the term carries heavy meaning for most people and to label the event in Ossetia as genocide takes away from other much much more severe cases.’ instead of jumping on me view like I have no right and no reason to have my meaning, not even accented, but used without any specific accent.

More over you would pay attention that I myself was using “’attempt to genocide’’ but not ''genocide'' quite consistently.


Then if you address to people - who has gone through what could be a sever case or what did not happen to be a sever case – with the attitude 'you don’t matter, it is not a big deal there are really severe case' it only shows your inhumanity.

Particularly I outlined that the case involved the US (my country); and it is very important – severely important - how the US approaches it. The approach exhibited was unacceptable in any way or measure.

Thank you.
 
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gen·o·cide (n.) The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.
genocide - The Free Online Dictionary

Nothing even remotely similar to genocide happened in Ossetia.

So what Israel is doing in Gaza is not gen·o·cide (n.)
I do believe that Israel is waging a war for the sytematic and planned extermination of an entire political group.
Hamas!


Do you not think it strange how one's words can come back and kick one in the ar$e?
 
So what Israel is doing in Gaza is not gen·o·cide (n.)
I do believe that Israel is waging a war for the sytematic and planned extermination of an entire political group.
Hamas!


Do you not think it strange how one's words can come back and kick one in the ar$e?

Neither Israel nor any other conflict have been a subject of this tread nor they have been mentioned on this tread. You are totally out of line as usual.

Your belief has absolutely no grounds as there is no comparison.

1. Ossetins were not launching a serious of rocket attacks with the goal of genocide and with inciting to genocide.

2. They have not been shooting at Georgians hiding behind civilians and children.

2. They never proclaimed extermination of Georgia.
3. They never refused to recognize Georgia as an independent state.
4. They never strapped suicide belts on their children

And the count can go on and on.
There is absolutely no relation; your beliefs are ungrounded as usual.
 
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