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Former Military Chief: Iraq War Was A 'Failure' That Helped Create ISIS

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Retired Lt. General Michael Flynn, former U.S. special forces commander in Iraq and Afghanistan who was the country's highest ranking military intelligence official, says that the George W. Bush administration's Iraq war was a tremendous blunder that helped to create the self-proclaimed Islamic State, or ISIS.
"It was a huge error," Flynn said about the Iraq war in a detailed interview with German newspaper Der Spiegel published Sunday.
"As brutal as Saddam Hussein was, it was a mistake to just eliminate him," Flynn went on to say. "The same is true for Moammar Gadhafi and for Libya, which is now a failed state. The historic lesson is that it was a strategic failure to go into Iraq. History will not be and should not be kind with that decision."
When told by Der Spiegel reporters Matthias Gebauer and Holger Stark that the Islamic State would not "be where it is now without the fall of Baghdad," Flynn, without reservations, said: "Yes, absolutely."
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Well ya dont say!? It should be perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was a failure, it was a mistake, and it did help create ISIS.
 
Now that you've blamed Bush (and the entire Senate) yet again, go on go on being an apologist for ISIS.
 
Flynn acknowledged just how wrongheaded the U.S. approach was as evidenced by the country's release of current Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in late 2004. The Pentagon has said that Baghdadi was arrested earlier that year near Falluja, but was released in December along with a large group of prisoners it deemed to be "low-level."

Wonder what he thinks about Obama's blunders.
 
WCH said:
Now that you've blamed Bush (and the entire Senate) yet again,
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Sorry that Bush promoted a war on false pretenses that lead to the destabilization of the country and a civil war that ISIS directly grew out of.... Its called reality. Get over it.

go on go on being an apologist for ISIS.
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Pathetic. Nowhere did anyones comments indicate being an apologist for ISIS.... ****ing pathetic that you resorted to this garbage.

WCH said:
Flynn acknowledged just how wrongheaded the U.S. approach was as evidenced by the country's release of current Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in late 2004. The Pentagon has said that Baghdadi was arrested earlier that year near Falluja, but was released in December along with a large group of prisoners it deemed to be "low-level."
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"SPIEGEL ONLINE: So killing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wouldn't change much?
Flynn: Not at all."
 
WCH said:
The Leftist Administration is arming ISIS and the Left apologizes for the Radical Muslims on a daily basis.
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Where has anyone apologized for radical Muslims? I think all religion is bad.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Sorry that Bush promoted a war on false pretenses that lead to the destabilization of the country and a civil war that ISIS directly grew out of.... Its called reality. Get over it.


Pathetic. Nowhere did anyones comments indicate being an apologist for ISIS.... ****ing pathetic that you resorted to this garbage.


"SPIEGEL ONLINE: So killing Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wouldn't change much?
Flynn: Not at all."
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Bush and all the Senate Dems.

Obama has released or traded for many high profile individuals that have come back to haunt us.
 
WCH said:
Bush and all the Senate Dems.
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"All the senate dems"? Was nowhere near "all the senate dems"
The Dem vote was split in the Senate. 29-21...... But you are right individuals like Hillary Clinton who did vote for the war also have responsibility... But it was nowhere near "all Senate Dems".

Obama has released or traded for many high profile individuals that have come back to haunt us.
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:doh Baghdadi was released in 2004.... You do realize Obama took office in 2008? I mean for ****s sake its in the quoted portion you just posted...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Well ya dont say!? It should be perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was a failure, it was a mistake, and it did help create ISIS. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Oh. There is no doubt that there is a certain stabilizing effect in the methods used by successful dictators, when compared to those the US employ to pacify a regional population. Probably that is where people should be looking, if they want to analyze what went suboptimally in places like Iraq or Libya. That way we might find a way to better pacify and transfer societies to better decision making political organization.

This lack of stomach for hard methods is probably one of the main problems we have had in bringing our military engagements to satisfactory conclusion.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
"All the senate dems"? Was nowhere near "all the senate dems"
The Dem vote was split in the Senate. 29-21...... But you are right individuals like Hillary Clinton who did vote for the war also have responsibility... But it was nowhere near "all Senate Dems".


:doh Baghdadi was released in 2004.... You do realize Obama took office in 2008? I mean for ****s sake its in the quoted portion you just posted...
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Not talking about him.
 
Chomsky said:
War often has unintended consequences.

This, amongst other extremely compelling reasons, is why it should be avoided at all costs.
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Not if the cost is ruinous cost or more and greater war later.
 
WCH said:
Flynn acknowledged just how wrongheaded the U.S. approach was as evidenced by the country's release of current Islamic State leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi in late 2004. The Pentagon has said that Baghdadi was arrested earlier that year near Falluja, but was released in December along with a large group of prisoners it deemed to be "low-level."

Wonder what he thinks about Obama's blunders.
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TheDemSocialist said:
:doh Baghdadi was released in 2004.... You do realize Obama took office in 2008? I mean for ****s sake its in the quoted portion you just posted...
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Haha, hilarious. Can't wait to see how he slips out of this one.

It's just so obvious when a partisan is just 100% willing to believe anything if it proves his point. Doesn't matter if it's correct, I don't need time to think on it, I just know I'm right!
 
TheDemSocialist said:
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Well ya dont say!? It should be perfectly clear that the war in Iraq was a failure, it was a mistake, and it did help create ISIS. [/FONT][/COLOR]
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Of course it was a failure. Thanks to pressure from the hippy dippy pacifist left, the rules of engagement were so onerous, there could be no other outcome. Which is why today, contrary to what your lord and savior says, ISIS is stronger than ever. :shrug:
 
WCH said:
Homeland Security Today: In Keeping His Pledge to Empty Out GITMO, Obama Releases Hardened Al Qaeda, Other Jihadists Pentagon Deemed Most ?High Risk?
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1.)"who was cleared for release by the Bush administration in 2007".... Remember, Obama took office in 2009?
2.)"the CIA and FBI, reputedly agreed he no longer posed a threat to the United States or its allies.... Shalabi “does not remain necessary to protect against a continuing significant threat to the security of the United States....
3.)"He was cleared for release in 2007 when the Bush administration acknowledged it had no evidence against him." British Guantanamo inmate on hunger strike - BBC News
4.)"the UK Government has spent £274,345 fighting Aamer in court, including preventing his lawyers viewing evidence that may prove his innocence and end more than a decade in US custody." Letters raise fears for last Briton in Guantanamo | Americas | News | The Independent


Also wondering what this has to do with ISIS and Iraq....

Not just ISIS...the Taliban, AQ etc.
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Isnt this thread about ISIS?
 
countryboy said:
Of course it was a failure. Thanks to pressure from the hippy dippy pacifist left, the rules of engagement were so onerous, there could be no other outcome. Which is why today, contrary to what your lord and savior says, ISIS is stronger than ever. :shrug:
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Yea! Those damn lefties were the problem! Them and their peace loving ways! If only it was a free for all then none of this would happen! :roll:
 
joG said:
Not if the cost is ruinous cost or more and greater war later.
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Agreed.

War should be avoided at all costs, but there are indeed times when it cannot.

I'd say 1939 was one of those times for America, or perhaps more accurately late 1941.

I do not believe 2003 was one of those times.
 
Chomsky said:
Agreed.

War should be avoided at all costs, but there are indeed times when it cannot.

I'd say 1939 was one of those times for America, or perhaps more accurately late 1941.

I do not believe 2003 was one of those times.
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I do believe that it could have been avoided and that the Putin, chirac, Schröder axis out maneuvered us. Right before the invasion it was probably no longer avoidable without severe consequences. Sorry to say, we had achieved a very important goal by way of the Iraq invasion in the 2005 UN Norm change and the realization around the world that we needed a different system of security. We lost that advantage in the last 7 years.
 
joG said:
I do believe that it could have been avoided and that the Putin, chirac, Schröder axis out maneuvered us. Right before the invasion it was probably no longer avoidable without severe consequences. Sorry to say, we had achieved a very important goal by way of the Iraq invasion in the 2005 UN Norm change and the realization around the world that we needed a different system of security. We lost that advantage in the last 7 years.
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Great analysis!
 
WCH said:
Now that you've blamed Bush (and the entire Senate) yet again, go on go on being an apologist for ISIS.
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So instead of trying to deflect by attacking a poster, why not answer this...do you think invading Iraq helped create ISIS?

Yes or no?
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Yea! Those damn lefties were the problem! Them and their peace loving ways! If only it was a free for all then none of this would happen! :roll:
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Who said anything about a free for all? You don't prosecute a war with both hands tied behind your soldiers backs.
 
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