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Former Air Force secretary says he doubts US allies would be willing to buy an export version of the F-47 (1 Viewer)

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President Donald Trump said he would offer US allies a less-capable export version of a coming sixth-gen fighter, but a former top Air Force official has said he doubts they'll want it. The former secretary of the Air Force Frank Kendall said in a podcast interview that he doubted US allies would be willing to buy the coming F-47 stealth fighter because of the high expected cost and concerns over the US's commitments to its longtime alliances. Speaking on Defense & Aerospace Report's "Air Power" podcast late last week, Kendall, who left office in January, said the jet's price, which he said could be up to $180 million each, roughly twice as much as the F-35, could put off US allies. "I would be very surprised if our, any of our partners, were prepared to pay that unit cost for a new aircraft," he said. President Donald Trump announced this month that Boeing had been selected to build the new F-47, winning the $20 billion contract over its rival Lockheed Martin. Boeing's share price rose after the announcement, adding $4 billion in market value. The F-47 Next Generation Air Dominance fighter is expected to be ready for combat by the end of the decade. The F-47 is being designed to fly alongside autonomous drones, known as Collaborative Combat Aircraft. But Kendall said there were questions about how these drones would work with future crewed fighters.

The aim is to develop a new sixth-gen fighter aircraft with unmatched stealth and air-to-air combat capabilities, including the ability to fly with uncrewed loyal wingmen drones, to give the US Air Force a technological edge to defeat new threats. Kendall said the Trump administration's attitude toward longtime allies such as Canada and dozens of countries in Europe might lead some to question the wisdom of investing further in really expensive US weapon systems including the coming F-47. "Another factor right now, of course, is that the attitude we've taken towards our allies is driving a lot of them to rethink their degree of cooperation and commitment and reliance on US sources for equipment," he said. Kendall also highlighted Trump's claim that the export version of the F-47 sold to US allies could have downgraded capabilities, the reasoning being that allies today might not be allies in the future. "We basically have very close allies traditionally, and we share some of the best of our capabilities with them because we have a lot of trust in them," Kendall said. "This administration doesn't seem to be taking that point of view."

Canada and European countries should think long and hard before doing business with the Trump administration, the same administration that is currently imposing punitive tariffs on virtually everyone.
 



Canada and European countries should think long and hard before doing business with the Trump administration, the same administration that is currently imposing punitive tariffs on virtually everyone.

Trump's attitude is certainly a wake-up call for the USA's allies. The US defense industry is losing a lot of markets.
 
We did not offer the F-22 for export sales. Not sure why we would offer the F-47 for export sales.
 
We did not offer the F-22 for export sales. Not sure why we would offer the F-47 for export sales.


Reduce unit costs

With billions spent to develop it, the unit cost will be rather high. The more that is produced the unit cost would be lower.

I doubt other countries would buy them on a per cost basis. I expect the unit cost to be $400 to 500 million each when actually produced and have very high maintenance costs.

By then I expect drones will be a much cheaper effective alternative
 
Reduce unit costs

With billions spent to develop it, the unit cost will be rather high. The more that is produced the unit cost would be lower.

I doubt other countries would buy them on a per cost basis. I expect the unit cost to be $400 to 500 million each when actually produced and have very high maintenance costs.

By then I expect drones will be a much cheaper effective alternative
Combat aircraft still have a role, as evidenced in Ukraine.

Drones are great, but it's hard to argue with a 3000 kg gliding bomb, and also the most cost effective way to stop a mass drone attack is still fighter aircraft.
 
We did not offer the F-22 for export sales. Not sure why we would offer the F-47 for export sales.
As I understand it, it is illegal to export F22s. I imagine the F47 will be the same.
 



Canada and European countries should think long and hard before doing business with the Trump administration, the same administration that is currently imposing punitive tariffs on virtually everyone.
They wouldn't need it, it's too advanced for their needs plus they don't need the long range it offers and is designed around.

It's being built almost exclusively for combat in the Pacific theater specifically against China.

Plus the cost would be way too much.

They could develop a toned down version but what's the point in that when there are other aircraft already available.

This talk about Trump is just nonsense, he will be gone in under four years, before the craft is even in service and no nation is going to base their defense on how much they like someone or not.
 
They wouldn't need it, it's too advanced for their needs plus they don't need the long range it offers and is designed around.

It's being built almost exclusively for combat in the Pacific theater specifically against China.

Plus the cost would be way too much.

They could develop a toned down version but what's the point in that when there are other aircraft already available.

This talk about Trump is just nonsense, he will be gone in under four years, before the craft is even in service and no nation is going to base their defense on how much they like someone or not.

Plus there are at least two 6th gen fighters under development in Europe.
 

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