I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.
Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
The federal government can and does do a whole lot with food (allegedly) as far as regulation is concerned. However, the store owner is (usually) left to decide for himself which products to carry. There's no constitutional obligation I can see to force independent store owners to carry pork if this violates their religion or they just don't want to.
What next? Outlawing kosher pickles?
I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.
Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
Well it depends.
It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.
But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.
And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.
Well it depends.
It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.
But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.
And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.
Another in the long line of "strawmen" from the right over the contraception kerfuffle. Next, it'll be "Should the government require Mormons who own a Starbucks franchise to serve espresso drinks?"
Look, I disagree with Obama on this one too, but really...
The more appropriate question in the regulation is "Should Muslim grocers be stopped from firing people who eat pork?" Some people who work for a Catholic hospital, may in the course of their sex lives choose to use contraception. Personal liberty, you know, something the right is supposedly all about.
That is a huge what if, I'd be curious to know how many people are in this kind of situation right now. Seriously how many people do you think are: In any area with only one food store in reasonable traveling distance, the store is owned by a Muslim, the store refuses to sell pork, you can't afford beef or chicken, you are allergic to seafood, and you need pork for a healthy diet? I doubt anyone in this country has a problem that freakin specific, so why don't we think "should we make this law" or "do the people we are making this law for even exist" before we start advocating its creation.
Well it depends.
It could be that I have a lot of opportunities with regards to store selection so I can just merely go to another store and buy pork if I need to.
But if I live in an isolated area in which I don't have much opportunity of store selection and the only convenient store is owned by a Muslim who refuses to sell pork even when beef and chicken prices has risen so high I can't afford to buy them and I'm allergic to seafood, then I don't see why my health should suffer because of someone else's religious views are limiting my choice.
And, if that's the case, I'm sure as hell going to vote to get rid of that limitation some how.
Essentially this, like birth control, in cases where serious quality of life concerns are affected, accommodations should be made.
The difference being that birth control is almost always a quality of life issue while pork rarely is.
No, but i don't think a muslim owner would do that. Many of them sell alcohol and its also harem. It's all about the money. IF the owner thinks he can make money selling something that violates his religion he will do that.
No, but i don't think a muslim owner would do that. Many of them sell alcohol and its also harem. It's all about the money. IF the owner thinks he can make money selling something that violates his religion he will do that.
That is a huge what if, I'd be curious to know how many people are in this kind of situation right now. Seriously how many people do you think are: In any area with only one food store in reasonable traveling distance, the store is owned by a Muslim, the store refuses to sell pork, you can't afford beef or chicken, you are allergic to seafood, and you need pork for a healthy diet? I doubt anyone in this country has a problem that freakin specific, so why don't we think "should we make this law" or "do the people we are making this law for even exist" before we start advocating its creation.
Can I ask HTF you happen to know the religion of your store owner?
Even if you could somehow prove they are Muslims, this is still a personal, business decision they get to make without the government's help (except for the liquor license part).
Whole Foods has decided to start selling genetically modified food....should the government step in there too?
This is really no different than walking into your local Kroger and demanding that they carry some obscure brand that you like..
The grocery business is all about shelf space.
No.
The issue in the OP isn't the Muslim grocer choosing not to carry a certain brand of pork. It's that they refuse to carry an entire item.
In rural Minnesota, there is a surprisingly high number of Somalis. I can imagine a day when one of them buys the grocery store, as in a lot of these towns there is only one. If/when they do, if they stop selling pork, the right will be all over it with screams of "sharia law!"
In fact, they already were all over a similar thing:
No.
The issue in the OP isn't the Muslim grocer choosing not to carry a certain brand of pork. It's that they refuse to carry an entire item.
I've brought this up in a couple of other discussions on the HHS mandate.
Does the Federal Government have the right to force Muslim grocers to carry pork in their stores?
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