Boo Radley
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It doesn't mean we got lucky. Taking advantage of local "awakenings" is part of a policy that predates the Iraq invasion. Regardless, it wouldn't have happened without us support, in this case.
Bingo. To go from "Iraqi's didn't like AQI already" to "US Policies had little to do with Iraq's violence reduction" is ludicrous. Both Iraqi and American forces were necessary, as all of Boo's own sources have shown. He just doesn't want to admit to the implications because he unfortunately chose a foolish position, and now feels obligated to continue defending it.
Hey Boo, here's a question, if Obama thinks that the Surge is a failure, and the doctrine doesn't work, why did he order one in Afghanistan?
America bashing at it's "finest"...
So its two pictures?It isn't just one picture.
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Might want to check that out on snopes big guy.
I've never understood all the hype about marines being such "badasses".
My roommates in Airborne school were two Force Recon Marines and Ranger.
The Marines were not any more bad ass than we were, they just liked to wear it on their sleeve.
Moderator's Warning: AS much as I enjoy and engage in interservice banter, let's move back to the thread topic please.
So its two pictures?
I grew up outside of Camp Lejune. I've seen fat ass Marines.
I was in the Army. I've seen fat ass soldiers.
There are fat asses everywhere.
Might want to check that out on snopes big guy.
Agian, no one argues we were not wise. And there may well be a mutual need arrangment. That means we wouldn't have succeeded without them and them without us. But, the fact remains, we cannot take credit for the awakening.
There's that poor nation esteem rearing it's ugly head again. When some lose a debate on facts, they resort to this type of thing becasue they don't believe in the country enough to be honest. :coffeepap
Well, I'm not losing the debate here. Just noting your tendency to blame America at any chance and deny any positive attributed to it.
The awakening simply would have gone nowhere without US support whether or not the Awakening assisted US/UN goals.
Like I said, poor nation self esteem. The argument is not what the awakening would or would not have done without the US eventually lending a hand. I concede it is likely both needed each other, and I commend the wisdom of our leaders to take advantage of it. But the fact is that we did not start the awakening, nor did we come up with the idea. They did. And we were lucky that they did.
Some lack such national esteem that they can't give credit where credit is due and want to say that all good is theirs and all bad someone elses. In case you're confused, you and CP would belong to that group.
I never claimed it was our idea. However, in the interest if giving credit where it is due, realize that the awakening would still be asleep without the US and that taking advantage of "awakenings" is part of US doctrine.
Keep hatin'
If you weren't claiming it was our idea, you would not have been agreeing with CP or disputing what I said. :coffeepap
You should read the posts. I routinely said that without the US the awakening would have gone nowhere. Perhaps I should have said "a more closely agree with CP", but the point remains, he is mostly right and you are mostly wrong.
No, CP says the US was behind the Awakening. That is what we were debating. As he is completely wrong, and you agree with me, what exactly are you mostly agreeing with? Isn't really that you're having an emotional response and let that influence what you're saying.
The US is behind the awakening. It would not have happened without US support, as your own source says. :shrug:
The US didn't have to come up with the idea to be the enabling force behind it.
Thanks. I pointed to The Gamble earlier. The Book explains a lot rather well I think.
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