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For some Latinos, ‘prosperity gospel’ led them to Trump

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"The Lehigh Valley Barbershop was bustling with the next generation of American strivers. The mood among the young men, mostly first- or second-generation immigrants from Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, was hopeful. Their candidate, Donald Trump, had just won the presidential election.

...“Kamala said, 'Trump is for the rich, I fight for the poor.’ But I don’t want to be low-class — I hope that’s not a bad way to say it. But I don’t want to be there,” said Christian Pion, 31, referring to Vice President Kamala Harris. He became a U.S. citizen last year, a decade after coming to the United States from the Dominican Republic, and cast his first presidential ballot for Trump. “God doesn’t want you to be poor.”

Next to him, his best friend, Willy J. Castillo, 39, who owns the shop and others, worked the register as he talked about Trump’s drive to succeed, overcome and survive. Castillo, who also voted for Trump, identifies with that: “The Bible says ‘God helps those who help themselves,’ right?”

The mix of hope, drive for success and belief in a God who rewards faith, sometimes with financial accomplishments, has become dominant across the United States and Latin America, experts on Latino religion say. The belief system is sometimes called “seed faith,” “health and wealth gospel,” or “prosperity gospel.”"

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This is pretty funny. In fact, the Bible does not say God helps those who help themselves. How classic is it that their support for him is based on a lie, even though it isn't one of his?
 
Haha!

Reminds me of a scene in the musical Fiddler on the roof:

Tevye:
As the good book says, when a poor man eats a chicken, one of them is sick.

Mendel:
Where does the book say that?

Tevye:
Well, it doesn't say that exactly, but somewhere there is something about a chicken.
 
It's mind boggling. How out of touch can people be?

I wish voters would either do a far better job of informing themselves, or just don't vote.
 
Peacenik said:
It's mind boggling. How out of touch can people be?

I wish voters would either do a far better job of informing themselves, or just don't vote.
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Perhaps you should follow your own advice.
 
Peacenik said:
It's mind boggling. How out of touch can people be?

I wish voters would either do a far better job of informing themselves, or just don't vote.
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Exhibit A of the arrogance of progressives. Assuming you know better than others what their priorities are and how they should vote.
 
I guess it's how you interpret the bible and which parts you focus on. Most people just quote the charity aspect of the bible but the reality is that you cannot take care of others if you cannot take care of yourself first. Real charity is taking some of the wealth generated by your hard work and sacrifice and sharing that with others. Charity is NOT two homeless people trading free food from the food bank. Charity is NOT volunteering at the food bank to get 'experience' to apply to some woke college.
 
Yup, that’s why the widow who gave her last pennies will be honored, Jesus and Paul were rich, and people are instructed not to worry about tomorrow.
 
God give us strength, i doubt it there either. but both are good sentiments
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Exhibit A of the arrogance of progressives. Assuming you know better than others what their priorities are and how they should vote.
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Donald Trump didn't work hard for his wealth (he is wealthy because of his father) and he doesn't give a damn about immigrants, that he will try to deport. The prosperity gospel is for suckers and fools who never read Mark or Matthew.
 
Lisa said:
Donald Trump didn't work hard for his wealth (he is wealthy because of his father) and he doesn't give a damn about immigrants, that he will try to deport. The prosperity gospel is for suckers and fools who never read Mark or Matthew.
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Not addressing anything I said. But that was a nice goalpost move.

Why do progressives assume that they know what is best for others? Where does that arrogance come from?
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Not addressing anything I said. But that was a nice goalpost move.

Why do progressives assume that they know what is best for others? Where does that arrogance come from?
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Economics are the core issue of politics. Culture wars and religion as public policy dont help put food on the table , gas in the car, or a roof over your head.
 
I worked for a genuinely decent restaurateur, more than 30 years ago, who was a Copeland guy. He'd followed a fairly common track from alcoholism to friend of Bill to Bible churching. He was a generous, giving man who gave a bunch of us hard cases our first leg up. For me, it was my first title in the French system, which means the world. So when he invited me to a Copeland event I went, because of loyalty and fondness.

I'd already tried my hand at Xtianity, because a girl, though it never really suited my temperament, outlook or origins. I was familiar enough with mere Christianity, as well as more esoteric strains learned from Merton, Carmelites, Eckhart and Boehme, and the other mystics. I was familiar with Bonhoeffer, and Berdyaev and Niebhur. I'm not good at being a believer, but I liked reading theology, especially the dialogue theology of the early and 20th. Which is all just a way of saying, I'm not ignorant of basic, devotional as well as theological and apologetic Xtianity.

Which is why I found Copeland so very ****ing shocking, because not only was it not Weberite protestantism, an off-color interpretation of Orthodox and Catholic maximalism, or even a very extreme reading of the Calvinist TULIP doctrine. It was straight apostacy and heresy, dressed in Christian raiment.

When I made gentle mention of my thoughts to my benefactor and friend, for the first time in our relationship, he became tense and defensive and even withdrawn. Which is the hallmark of an insular and cultish discipline, but not of genuine, frank and open faith.

Stuck with me.

For what it's worth.
 
It's a giant leap to take those comments and shoehorn them into a "prosperity message".
 
Kind of a case in point for the uninformed voter.
But then that is what Donnie relied on, lie about everything and count on voters to not actually become informed on the actual facts.
 
KingLeo said:
Kind of a case in point for the uninformed voter.
But then that is what Donnie relied on, lie about everything and count on voters to not actually become informed on the actual facts.
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Like what?
 
countryboy said:
Like what?
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That he knew nothing about Project 2025, despite his current cabinet nominees being stocked with supporters. He said he woould lower the cost of food and gas but now he has walked that back sayings its very tough. He told his followers that others will pay for his tariffs.

MAGA is a synonym of fools, suckers, and hypocrites.
 

Their Churches failed them. It should have mentioned Matthew 9:24. It is easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than a rich man to gain entrance to heaven.

But preachers are hired to do a job, and pleasing the one paying the bills is pretty much required.
 

There's going to be a lot of buyer's remorse when tRump doesn't do a damn thing to help the working class.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
Exhibit A of the arrogance of progressives. Assuming you know better than others what their priorities are and how they should vote.
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Knock off the holier-than-thou bullshit. Everybody on this forum thinks they know what policies are best for everyone.
 
anatta said:
God give us strength, i doubt it there either. but both are good sentiments
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And what does the Buddhist think about all this prosperity gospel garbage?
 
A truthful and practical lie it be. Blame the source confusion on Benjamin Franklin who borrowed the aphorism from Aesop and Sophocles.
 
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