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For Betar or Worse: Fighting the Zionist doxers

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IMO, if you’re a foreign student and you want to protest Israel’s actions in Gaza or anything else, as long as you do it peacefully, you shouldn’t be deported. But if you commit any violent acts or seize private or public property (like a university building), you should absolutely be sent back to your home country.

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Naw. Invading and seizing public property should be pardoned.
 
Preventing Jewish students from attending class should be prosecuted as a hate crime just as it should if KKK members did the same to black students.

That is not protest -- it is just ethnic hatred.
 
markdc said:
But if you commit any violent acts or seize private or public property (like a university building), you should absolutely be sent back to your home country.
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If anyone should be sent to Uganda...
 

For Betar or Worse?​


Jaysus, a cute play on words.

I did get curious of TheBaffler since I never heard of that site, so I searched it:

Overall, we rate The Baffler Left Biased based on editorial positions that align with the progressive left.

Well that is a new ONE on me, quoting a leftist publication.
 
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Gardener said:
Preventing Jewish students from attending class should be prosecuted as a hate crime just as it should if KKK members did the same to black students.

That is not protest -- it is just ethnic hatred.
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Storming the capitol was ok though, amirite?
 
Gardener said:
Preventing Jewish students from attending class should be prosecuted as a hate crime just as it should if KKK members did the same to black students.

That is not protest -- it is just ethnic hatred.
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Nope. Preventing people from using public buildings to do their official activities should be blanket pardoned.
 
Mr Person said:


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If anyone should be sent to Uganda...
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It's always the same with the rightwing clowns, they simply look at who Trump supports or who he has issues with, and they take their marching orders from there.
I AGREE that any protestors that commit an act of violence should be charged, but I am no hypocrite, I believe that protestors who commit violence need to be charged regardless of political affiliation.
 
Gardener said:
No.

What does that have to do with the intimidation of Jews?
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I was just gauging your consistency. Jews shouldn't be intimidated, period. Neither should members of Congress.
 
Questerr said:
Is it wrong to seize public buildings and prevent their official use or not?
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Well he did answer no to my question if it was ok in THAT instance to turn a protest into an illegal act. Whether he meant it or not is not for me to judge.
 
That Ercelik sounds like a really lousy choice of poster child. Attacking someone for expressing their opinion? Multiple charges? If I thought Canary Mission only went after people like that, I'd be all for them.
 
Gardener said:
I already said no.
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LOL, read the question by Questerr again, carefully, before you answer no.
Your answer no to MY question was better understood.
 
Gardener said:
No.

What does that have to do with the intimidation of Jews?
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We Jews would have to be infinitely more stupid to believe that Trump's attacks on universities and foreign students have anything to do with protecting Jews....

This and the whole "pro-Israel" stance are purely cynical.
 
Mr Person said:
We Jews would have to be infinitely more stupid to believe that Trump's attacks on universities and foreign students have anything to do with protecting Jews....
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Given that most Jews I have ever met are NOT stupid, I wonder if the audience he is playing too are NOT Jews but his own base who really ARE that stupid? Just curious.
 
SNOWFLAKE said:
Given that most Jews I have ever met are NOT stupid, I wonder if the audience he is playing too are NOT Jews but his own base who really ARE that stupid? Just curious.
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Now that you mention it, bears definitely do shit in the woods.

Though in this case I think the base, despite its abject stupidity, knows full well that none of this has to do with concern for the Jews. Rather, it has to do with attacking upper education (because education is liberal and totally gay, you see) and xenophobia. That they might troll someone with the blatant dishonesty of claiming to be motivated against anti-semitism is just icing.
 

First, that puts you at odds with trump. Second, I think there's a wrong thinking to want to demand perfection from immigrants. ANY crime, deported. That's not right IMO. Have a reasonable threshhold of the severity of the crime. Violent crime, ok. Threw an egg at a building in a political protest? Overreaction. We shouldn't expect zero issues with millions of immigrants. They're people and have a much lower crime rate than natives.
 
We should have some respect for civil disobedience. That doesn't mean simply allowing it without punishment, but it means being measured in responding and respecting it as different than pure crime. Listening to the protested, granting reasonable demands, to resolve the issue is reasonable.

We need to recognize that 'the state' can be in the wrong, that people can respond to injustice with civil disobedience, and that simply the exercise of state force isn't the best solution at times.
 
Gardener said:
Preventing Jewish students from attending class should be prosecuted as a hate crime just as it should if KKK members did the same to black students.

That is not protest -- it is just ethnic hatred.
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If an actual crime is committed such as simple assault or battery, then absolutely. Peaceful picketing isn't a hate crime even if the purpose of it is hatred. The KKK can peacefully picket outside a majority black university all they want. Until they lay a finger on a student going to class or make a clear verbal threat that would cause a reasonable person to fear for their safety, they are not guilty of a hate crime. Those protesting the war in Gaza should be no different.
 
I agree there has to be a limit. However, the sort of thing Ercelik was reported in that article to have done is exactly the case that the "foreign policy" deportations were originally intended to address. War is something you want to deport. If someone is going to commit a crime directly against an opposing immigrant group or its ethnic supporters, maintaining the peace justifies a pretty low threshold. Ripping an Israeli flag out of the hands of a protester and cutting it up with a knife is a violation of freedom of expression - which is what I want to have - and of their property rights, and inevitably, if you use a potential weapon to visibly violate someone's rights in front of them, it creates a question of what else you'd do with the weapon.

I want a society where backers of Israel and Palestine feel free and safe to come out and protest and stand right in front of each other and argue. But I want America to be a place where the war is fought with words only.
 
Preventing Jewish students from attending class is not protesting war against Hamas.
 
Gardener said:
Preventing Jewish students from attending class is not protesting war against Hamas.
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No. But protesting in front of a university could be. Engaging in a physical altercation is a crime. A simple protest is not, however.
 
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