Food desert myth

[Simpletruther]

The whole idea never passed the sniff test with me sure enough there's some good research indicating that it's not much of a thing.

Poor people that are fat( and there are a lot of them) are fat not because they can't get good cheap nutritious food.
they're fat because they eat too much unhealthy food by their own choice.

please stop making excuses for poor fat people.
Some of the cheapest Foods available are healthy and nutritious.

Food deserts not to blame for growing nutrition gap between rich and poor, study finds

Families with access to healthier foods don’t necessarily buy them

news.uchicago.edu

 

[BirdinHand]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

 

[TangoNoCash]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

I’m just impressed he didn’t call them all Democrats

 

[phoenix2020]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

No idea why he cited some old study. Maybe it's a MAGA thing.

The article did point the finger at a lack of education in poor areas and high poverty locations about the consequences of healthy versus unhealthy eating and that generally passes my sniff test. We should be funding education in poverty areas about the consequences of poor nutrition.

 

[Gozaburo]

The whole idea never passed the sniff test with me sure enough there's some good research indicating that it's not much of a thing.

Poor people that are fat( and there are a lot of them) are fat not because they can't get good cheap nutritious food.
they're fat because they eat too much unhealthy food by their own choice.

please stop making excuses for poor fat people.
Some of the cheapest Foods available are healthy and nutritious.

Food deserts not to blame for growing nutrition gap between rich and poor, study finds

Families with access to healthier foods don’t necessarily buy them

news.uchicago.edu

Bluntly speaking, poor people tend to be fat because they're stupid.

Coincidentally I see far more obese people at MAGA rallies than I do at liberal gatherings.

 

[Cosmo]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

To argue about it on the internet. Same as the reason for largely all the posts here. You'd think someone who has been posting since 2019 would have figured out what this place is for.

No idea why he cited some old study. Maybe it's a MAGA thing.

Do you think the reasons behind American obesity and statistics associated with it change so often that an article just a few years old must be irrelevant?

 

[phoenix2020]

Do you think the reasons behind American obesity and statistics associated with it change so often that an article just a few years old must be irrelevant?

If you had read the article, you would have realized that a key part of it was highlighting the very rapid transformation in the statistics across a period of just a few years. Look, I get the need to face-plant, but can you at least make it seem less obvious next time?

 

[ElChupacabra]

The whole idea never passed the sniff test with me sure enough there's some good research indicating that it's not much of a thing.

Poor people that are fat( and there are a lot of them) are fat not because they can't get good cheap nutritious food.
they're fat because they eat too much unhealthy food by their own choice.

please stop making excuses for poor fat people.
Some of the cheapest Foods available are healthy and nutritious.

Food deserts not to blame for growing nutrition gap between rich and poor, study finds

Families with access to healthier foods don’t necessarily buy them

news.uchicago.edu

This is a thing, I grew up in one.

 

[Simpletruther]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

To inform

 

[Cosmo]

If you had read the article, you would have realized that a key part of it was highlighting the very rapid transformation in the statistics across a period of just a few years. Look, I get the need to face-plant, but can you at least make it seem less obvious next time?

You mean this?

The index improved five times more for high-income households than it did for low-income households between 2012 and 2015, compared to 2004 through 2007—indicating the nutritional gap between the rich and the poor is growing.

How would that be "key" to making this article irrelevant? It says the gap is growing, not reversing or fluctuating.

 

[phoenix2020]

You mean this?

Yes. Now imagine if you had actually read the article before making your post. You could have taken a completely different approach toward owning the left, and perhaps even enjoyed some modicum of success. Instead, you raced to own the left going off the headline alone, and viola, face-plant. Next time, read the article first.

 

[Simpletruther]

Bluntly speaking, poor people tend to be fat because they're stupid.

I highly doubt that. Link?

Coincidentally I see far more obese people at MAGA rallies than I do at liberal gatherings.

This i am less skeptical on.

 

[Cosmo]

Yes.

I see you omitted and dodged my question, proving you have no clue WTF you're talking about and just wanted to bastardize a part of the article to scratch your itch to lash out at someone daring to contribute positively to a discussion that may hold poor people responsible for their decisions.

Now imagine if you had actually read the article before making your post. You could have taken a completely different approach toward owning the left, and perhaps even enjoyed some modicum of success. Instead, you raced to own the left going off the headline alone, and viola, face-plant. Next time, read the article first.

And now you're rambling about "owning the left" when I said literally nothing about the left, liberals, or Democrats in my post.

 

[Scatty Kitty]

So if I'm reading the study correctly this is... well a "no shit" part of the article:

"Exposing low-income households to the same products and prices as those in high-income households reduces nutritional inequality by only 9 percent while the remaining 91 percent of the nutrition gap is driven by difference in what shoppers prefer to buy, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper published recently."

So basically if you find a $5 bag of apples in a rich neighborhood, that same bag of apples will cost $5 in a poorer neighborhood. But it's not necessarily going to take up the same percentage of a person's budget. If a person has $100 to spend on groceries, that's 5% of the budget. If a person has only $20, that jumps to 25%. It's not preference, it's what they have to buy to make the money stretch further. Here's a better study idea, what is the percentage the household spends on food, then compare that to their purchasing habits.

This reads like "we have to teach poor kids to save money by making them do the marshmallow experiment" without considering why poor children eat the marshmallow immediately.

 

[phoenix2020]

to a discussion that may hold poor people responsible for their decisions

See, why can't more MAGA be like this and just wear their hearts on their sleeves? C'mon @Simpletruther, can't you just dispense with all this posturing about food-desert-this and food-education-that and just cut straight to the poor-people-are-bad bit like @Cosmo? It's better for you, it's better for us, it's better for America.

 

[Mr Person]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”…seven years later why?

To drive a message of “poor people are unhealthy because they choose to be” or something?

What’s your point to dragging a seven year old link out here?

He's just truthing simply.

 

[Cosmo]

See, why can't more MAGA be like this and just wear their hearts on their sleeves? C'mon @Simpletruther, can't you just dispense with all this posturing about food-desert-this and food-education-that and just cut straight to the poor-people-are-bad bit like @Cosmo? It's better for you, it's better for us, it's better for America.

I sense more butthurt from your posts over people discussing personal responsibility.

 

[phoenix2020]

So if I'm reading the study correctly this is... well a "no shit" part of the article:

"Exposing low-income households to the same products and prices as those in high-income households reduces nutritional inequality by only 9 percent while the remaining 91 percent of the nutrition gap is driven by difference in what shoppers prefer to buy, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper published recently."

So basically if you find a $5 bag of apples in a rich neighborhood, that same bag of apples will cost $5 in a poorer neighborhood. But it's not necessarily going to take up the same percentage of a person's budget. If a person has $100 to spend on groceries, that's 5% of the budget. If a person has only $20, that jumps to 25%. It's not preference, it's what they have to buy to make the money stretch further. Here's a better study idea, what is the percentage the household spends on food, then compare that to their purchasing habits.

This reads like "we have to teach poor kids to save money by making them do the marshmallow experiment" without considering why poor children eat the marshmallow immediately.

I read it a bit differently - they seemed to claim that while some of the gap is due to availability of healthy foods, the majority appears to be linked to a lack of education about the consequences of good versus poor nutrition choices. This somewhat tracks. I doubt the schools in impoverished areas are doing much in the way of food education. I doubt there are ample numbers of trained nutritionists in these areas offering clinics or advice. I doubt people are able to afford regular checkups with a doctor who can tell them about healthy eating, or point them to some resources.

 

[phoenix2020]

I sense more butthurt from your posts over people discussing personal responsibility.

Cool. You have a wonderful evening.

 

[Gozaburo]

I highly doubt that. Link?

You want a meta analysis which demonstrates why low agency stupid people would rather swipe their EBT card for yummy Doritos instead of celery and spinach?

 

[Simpletruther]

You want a meta analysis which demonstrates why low agency stupid people would rather swipe their EBT card for yummy Doritos instead of celery and spinach?

That would help.

 

[Gozaburo]

That would help.

Have you tried reasoning from first principles?

 

[Cosmo]

So, you bring an article from 2018 to our attention…an article that doesn’t even include a link to the “study”

There's a link to a study in the 2nd paragraph.

 

[NuffSaid]

The whole idea never passed the sniff test with me sure enough there's some good research indicating that it's not much of a thing.

Poor people that are fat( and there are a lot of them) are fat not because they can't get good cheap nutritious food.
they're fat because they eat too much unhealthy food by their own choice.

please stop making excuses for poor fat people.
Some of the cheapest Foods available are healthy and nutritious.

Food deserts not to blame for growing nutrition gap between rich and poor, study finds

Families with access to healthier foods don’t necessarily buy them

news.uchicago.edu

Deserts are arid places full of sand
Desserts are typically sweet treats eaten after a meal

 

[Cosmo]

So if I'm reading the study correctly this is... well a "no shit" part of the article:

"Exposing low-income households to the same products and prices as those in high-income households reduces nutritional inequality by only 9 percent while the remaining 91 percent of the nutrition gap is driven by difference in what shoppers prefer to buy, according to a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper published recently."

So basically if you find a $5 bag of apples in a rich neighborhood, that same bag of apples will cost $5 in a poorer neighborhood. But it's not necessarily going to take up the same percentage of a person's budget. If a person has $100 to spend on groceries, that's 5% of the budget. If a person has only $20, that jumps to 25%. It's not preference, it's what they have to buy to make the money stretch further. Here's a better study idea, what is the percentage the household spends on food, then compare that to their purchasing habits.

This reads like "we have to teach poor kids to save money by making them do the marshmallow experiment" without considering why poor children eat the marshmallow immediately.

Sounds like you missed the point of the article, which is that food deserts don't cause poor eating habits, not that poverty doesn't cause poor eating habits (which is what you're talking about above).

You're welcome to explore the poverty aspect of it, but you really don't in any concrete manner. Apples seems like an odd choice of food for this discussion. Do apples play a special role in dieting?